The silencer, hand swab, and scratch marks on the aga, Conspiracy...

[susan]

Hi lookout  I have to agree with you I think sadly poor Sheila was a very troubled individual and as much as a victim as anyone

[Bridget]

I'm not sure if a shotgun would be the chosen weapon of an assassin? But I would think that they would have used a larger calibre weapon because a .22 would not effect a clean kill of a human being unless strategically placed? These wounds on all the victims were headshots. But it is unsure if those headshots were delivered before the body shots or after, except of course in the case of the twins? Which shots were all to the head and suggest overkill as if someone wanted to make sure they were dead so as to spare their suffering? Italics mine as it is only a suggestion.

Would a mother who wanted to spare their child from suffering shoot him 3 times in the face? Speculative I know, but that's a sticking point for me.

[lookout]

Hi lookout  I have to agree with you I think sadly poor Sheila was a very troubled individual and as much as a victim as anyone

Hi Susan,,,indeed she was a victim,the same as Jeremy is right now,a victim of a miscarriage of justice.

[lookout]

Would a mother who wanted to spare their child from suffering shoot him 3 times in the face? Speculative I know, but that's a sticking point for me.

Bridget,,,mothers in distress like Sheila was,are more than capable of cruelty and murder. It's been made quite clear over the years,the abject cruelty that's been committed on children by parents,,but particularly the mothers.

[bloggs and son]

Would a mother who wanted to spare their child from suffering shoot him 3 times in the face? Speculative I know, but that's a sticking point for me.

I agree Bridget. But you must admit it was the most shocking crime that shook essex to the core at the time. I should think there can only be speculation? That's why I typed it out in italics. Who is to know what people (indeed even ourselves) are capable of? I see some of the most disturbing crimes committed every year in this country and sometimes I have to ask myself, "How could these people do such things?" If Sheila was responsible she must have been a very disturbed woman. That is the only way we can explain such a thing. Certainly the person responsible was not in a normal state of mind at the time, that's for sure.

[susan]

Hi lookout  it is so sad as like you I feel Jeremy is innocent and to have lost your whole family and be accused of murdering them and serving a lifetime prison sentence I cannot find words to describe what he has suffered.  He must be a  very strong person to endure it and still be fighting.

[Bridget]

Bridget,,,mothers in distress like Sheila was,are more than capable of cruelty and murder. It's been made quite clear over the years,the abject cruelty that's been committed on children by parents,,but particularly the mothers.

What evidence is there that Sheila had ever been cruel to her children? Neglected them to some extent possibly, but committed abject cruelty? I just don't buy the 'mother in distress' thing.

[lookout]

What evidence is there that Sheila had ever been cruel to her children? Neglected them to some extent possibly, but committed abject cruelty? I just don't buy the 'mother in distress' thing.

Bridget,,,women such as Sheila " just snap " and are out of control. This may have " seemed " out of character for Sheila,but the raw truth is that when women like her,erupt,yes,,they're more than capable of doing anything. Anyone who can put their hand through a window such as Sheila had once done,has got to be sick of mind. All the internal destruction that Sheila carried out was what she would possibly have done towards her family. Throwing pots and pans,etc,even Colin,her husband had to call a halt on her unpredictable " tantrums ",because he feared for his life and that of the twins. As did her friend,Freddie,who was scared of Sheila.
Sorry,,,,but men scared of a woman.? There has to be something radically wrong. Sheila may have been " slightly built ",but at the same time,she was as strong as an ox,,as are a lot of people who are mentally sick.

[Neil]

Plus shots in the arms of the victims that have been interpreted as hits and meant to terrorise or torture the victims may be misinterpreted and should rather be viewed as "misses"?

Very good point

[Bridget]

Bridget,,,women such as Sheila " just snap " and are out of control. This may have " seemed " out of character for Sheila,but the raw truth is that when women like her,erupt,yes,,they're more than capable of doing anything. Anyone who can put their hand through a window such as Sheila had once done,has got to be sick of mind. All the internal destruction that Sheila carried out was what she would possibly have done towards her family. Throwing pots and pans,etc,even Colin,her husband had to call a halt on her unpredictable " tantrums ",because he feared for his life and that of the twins. As did her friend,Freddie,who was scared of Sheila.
Sorry,,,,but men scared of a woman.? There has to be something radically wrong. Sheila may have been " slightly built ",but at the same time,she was as strong as an ox,,as are a lot of people who are mentally sick.

Don't take this the wrong way but I find your use of the phrase "women like her" and pretty much all of your post quite distasteful. You know nothing about her other than what has been said in a few statements selectively posted on a pro JB forum. That said, you are entitled to your opinion, because that is all it is, and I'm not going to argue with you over it.

[maggie]

Bridget,,,mothers in distress like Sheila was,are more than capable of cruelty and murder. It's been made quite clear over the years,the abject cruelty that's been committed on children by parents,,but particularly the mothers.

Surely lookout distressed mothers who kill their children are il and in a way beyond our understanding see their actions as actually 'saving' their children.

[lookout]

What evidence is there that Sheila had ever been cruel to her children? Neglected them to some extent possibly, but committed abject cruelty? I just don't buy the 'mother in distress' thing.

Bridget,please read up about these women who are mentally unstable and what they are capable of doing.
They are wild,believe you me. I've seen it,,I've worked with them. Read about the use of paraldehyde on violent patients.
Sheila did have a tendency to be violent. The night of the murders was an example when she killed her children. If she couldn't continue to look after them,,nobody else was going to do.
Probably if that night of carnage hadn't have occurred,,then it's quite possible that she,herself would at some point have committed suicide. It's known amongst schizophrenics,,and their lives in any case,are usually short-lived.

Hormonal imbalance has got a lot to answer for,,as in an over-active thyroid which in itself causes anxiety and if not treated can cause a lot of problems. This too is something that can be brought on by pregnancy, but symptoms can be sketchy,but a blood test can define this,then treatment can begin.
My belief is that Dr Ferguson neither knew enough,nor did enough to curtail Sheila's illness.
Rather an endocrinologist first off,then if all else failed,psychiatry,or both. 

[Bridget]

Bridget,please read up about these women who are mentally unstable and what they are capable of doing.
They are wild,believe you me. I've seen it,,I've worked with them. Read about the use of paraldehyde on violent patients.
Sheila did have a tendency to be violent. The night of the murders was an example when she killed her children. If she couldn't continue to look after them,,nobody else was going to do.
Probably if that night of carnage hadn't have occurred,,then it's quite possible that she,herself would at some point have committed suicide. It's known amongst schizophrenics,,and their lives in any case,are usually short-lived.

Hormonal imbalance has got a lot to answer for,,as in an over-active thyroid which in itself causes anxiety and if not treated can cause a lot of problems. This too is something that can be brought on by pregnancy, but symptoms can be sketchy,but a blood test can define this,then treatment can begin.
My belief is that Dr Ferguson neither knew enough,nor did enough to curtail Sheila's illness.
Rather an endocrinologist first off,then if all else failed,psychiatry,or both.

Sorry but this is nothing but speculative generalisation. Anyone working in the mental health field will know that every patient needs to be individually assessed by a professional. The idea that you can diagnose Sheila as being one of "these women" 27 years later using nothing but a bunch of 3rd party statements and decide that her own doctor was wrong is probably the most mental thing about this subject. But as I said, 'm not going to argue about it so please carry on.

[lookout]

A few years back,a man was running through the street wielding a Samurai sword.Police were called to the man and he was treated as/like a criminal.He had schizophrenia but had missed his medication ( something familiar with schizophrenics ) the man's family said he was normally a gentle and innoffensive person who wouldn't harm anyone.
Police should have extra training in the field of mental illnesses among the public and should be able to spot the difference in someone who is either mentally ill,or a diabetic in a " hypo " state ( who can lash out ) instead of being over-zealous with a taser,or just being over-zealous.

[maggie]

Hi lookout

T is a fact that one of the main side effects of schizophrenia is suicide. Sheila was a very sick woman as you state. Sheila had possibly suffered from the early symptoms of schizophrenia since the onset of puberty. Why do people keep questioning her ability to have a massive psychotic episode and kill everyone in range? It happens less often than it could if scizophrenics were more often in a situation with guns and ammo lying around.