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Offline Tricksy

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Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« on: February 12, 2011, 02:09:PM »
As I have mentioned in several posts, I don't feel as if I know enough details regarding this case to make a decision in regard to Jeremy Bamber's innocence or guilt.

However, I do believe he had strong grounds for an appeal and deserves at the least, a retrial.

I notice that there are a few books written on this case.

In the opinion of those who have read them, which do you think is/are the most informative?

Thanks.

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Re: Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2011, 02:25:PM »
i personally have 4 books on the case.murder at whitehouse farm by claire powell,out of date with what has surfaced since so i dont recommend that.

blood relations by roger wilkes,i havent got through that book as yet so i cant comment

searching for the rainbows end by colin caffell, excellent book, would highly recommend

i also have the scott lomax book evil beyond belief, good book would recommend

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Re: Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2011, 02:52:PM »
i personally have 4 books on the case.murder at whitehouse farm by claire powell,out of date with what has surfaced since so i dont recommend that.

blood relations by roger wilkes,i havent got through that book as yet so i cant comment

searching for the rainbows end by colin caffell, excellent book, would highly recommend

i also have the scott lomax book evil beyond belief, good book would recommend

Thanks Andrea.  :)

I appreciate your input.  :)

I will check out the ones you recommend. I've read a lot of the stuff online, but no books as yet.

I feel that I need to read as much detail as possible, as this case seems to be very complex.

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Re: Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2011, 02:59:PM »
youre welcome tricksy :)


i agree the case is very complex, and i get confused with all the things that are written especially relating to the bullets and silencer issues. Theres a hell of alot of information to get your head round.


do you think the case should be referred?

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Re: Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2011, 03:24:PM »
youre welcome tricksy :)


i agree the case is very complex, and i get confused with all the things that are written especially relating to the bullets and silencer issues. Theres a hell of alot of information to get your head round.


do you think the case should be referred?

Andrea,  :)

I am disappointed with the CCRC decision to not to allow an appeal.

I feel that there was enough there to warrant a new trial.

I am unhappy with Essex Police handling of the case. That their records say someone was communicating with them in the house and that they took two phone calls according to their log. One from Jeremy and his father.

I am particularly unhappy with evidence being disposed of eg. The Bible. Why? Why on earth in this day and age when appeals take place would such an item be disposed of?

Why will they not hand over the negatives? What about the Public Immunity Documents. If all was above board in the investigation, then why are they so afraid to hand over these documents?

I am unhappy with the silencer being used as evidence, as it sat there for 34 days then was handed in by someone who stood to profit from the families death if Jeremy was out of the way. Who knows what happened to that silencer in 34 days? How on earth do we know the train of evidence wasn't corrupted?

Why was a whole bullet shown and linked to one gun when only fragments existed?

How credible was Julie Mugford to give evidence?

To me, all of these questions need answering. That is not even going down the photograph route!

Some things (and that is from the little I know about this case) do not add up.





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Re: Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2011, 03:28:PM »
The evidence re an alleged call from Neville is not there, and neither is evidence that the silencer was handed in much later. I'm not surprised the appeal failed if that's what it was based on.

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Re: Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2011, 03:31:PM »
youre right about essex police not releasing evidence, that non diclosure more than anything shows they have something to hide.Why dont they just release everything they have and put a stop to it once and for all.

the documents they wont release could show jeremys guilt, we wont know until we are privvy to it.On the other hand it could show his innocence, again we wont know until we are privvy to it. They should be forced to hand it over, then this case can be properly dealt with once and for all.

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Re: Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2011, 07:53:PM »
The evidence re an alleged call from Neville is not there, and neither is evidence that the silencer was handed in much later. I'm not surprised the appeal failed if that's what it was based on.

As far as I am aware the items you mention above, were not mentioned in the appeal.

I was personally just stating the questions I want clearing up. that is based on the little knowledge I have on the case and I freely admit, I do not know that much about the case.

Whether they are just myths or not, I just want to know definitively.


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Re: Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2011, 07:57:PM »
youre right about essex police not releasing evidence, that non diclosure more than anything shows they have something to hide.Why dont they just release everything they have and put a stop to it once and for all.

the documents they wont release could show jeremys guilt, we wont know until we are privvy to it.On the other hand it could show his innocence, again we wont know until we are privvy to it. They should be forced to hand it over, then this case can be properly dealt with once and for all.

To refuse to disclose the documents imho, makes them look like they have something to hide. This may of course not be the case.

I think Essex Police should be made to release the documents, not in the least to end speculation that they are hiding something by witholding them.

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Re: Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2011, 12:34:AM »
Blood Relations by Roger Wilkes is a good read and appears well researched. I beleive this book includes contribution from Jeremy and was researched by visit and interview with extended family members and those who worked on the farm etc.

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Re: Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2011, 11:16:AM »
I would love to read In Search of the Rainbow's End by Colin Caffell but it is out of print now and I am struggling to find it anywhere secondhand.

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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2011, 11:22:AM »
takeshi it is available on amazon but they are asking something like £50 for it. its an excellent book though. i got my copy for £4 !!

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Re: Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2011, 04:44:PM »
Blood Relations by Roger Wilkes is a good read and appears well researched. I beleive this book includes contribution from Jeremy and was researched by visit and interview with extended family members and those who worked on the farm etc.

Thanks for coming back to me, Curious.  :)

So that looks like there is 3 books that are worth reading then.

takeshi it is available on amazon but they are asking something like £50 for it. its an excellent book though. i got my copy for £4 !!

I'd advise keeping an eye on it.  Specially if its on Amazon.

I had been after an out of print book since the late 1990's.
Everywhere I looked, I was quoted £150-£200, which I wasn't prepared to pay. That was through specialist book finders.

I was given it at Christmas and it cost the giver £50, through Amazon.  It cost £60 when it first ever on sale. On Amazon it was originally listed as £150.

Another friend of mine bought the same book last week for £15, again through Amazon.


So they might ask £50, but getting it is a whole other matter!  ;)


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Re: Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2011, 05:39:PM »
If the book was published in the UK it should be held by the British Library.

If you are a member of your county library service you can request the BL book via your local library. Charges vary, around £4 for a 3 week loan plus one renewal of 3 weeks unless requested. Much cheaper than buying a copy, but the wait could be up to 6 weeks. Don't lose or damage it though - big money!

The more recent Lomax book is held by most county library services.


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Re: Which Book Is The Most Informative?
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2011, 12:55:PM »
Hi, with reference to buying all books which are out of print I've had great success on Ebay ... recently found Colin Caffell's book for £3.50 and Blood Relations cost me £1.50. Hope this helps. Lorna