Guilty?

[Patti]

Aha! So you agree that Sheila didn't do it then.

I don't think there's any chance of a retrial after 27 years.

I knew you would say that ! I would like you to provide me with factual forensic evidence on how JB got in and out of WHF?  :D

[Roch]

Well I'm guessing that will have been falsified too...

Why on earth would they go to all of that effort and risk to frame JB when they had the perfect suspect - Sheila, laying there with a gun in her hands and not able to deny that she had done it?

By original handwritten SOC register, I meant the unsullied document.

That's the million dollar question Bridget...  I wish I had the answer.

[Bridget]

I knew you would say that ! I would like you to provide me with factual forensic evidence on how JB got in and out of WHF?  :D

As you know, there would have been forensic evidence of JB all over the house, and all completely useless seeing as he worked there. He got caught later climbing in through the window didn't he? Do you reckon that was the first time he'd done it?

[Bridget]

By original handwritten SOC register, I meant the unsullied document.

That's the million dollar question Bridget...  I wish I had the answer.

That's a bit cryptic, is the suggestion that the police shot her in the kitchen?

[elphick]

That's a bit cryptic, is the suggestion that the police shot her in the kitchen?

And under the chin?

[Jane]

But it was 'solved' - Sheila dunnit..

And that's where their problems began, IMO. With property and land in the hands of someone not entirely interested in the same way as them, their future could have been less secure than it previously was. Not for one moment am I suggesting that in one blinding flash they all colluded in framing, but I think that when putting Jeremy in the frame presented itself as a possibility, they "nudged" it a little.

[Roch]

That's a bit cryptic, is the suggestion that the police shot her in the kitchen?

And under the chin?

No, merely that not all is as EP would have you or me believe.  I don't have the answer.

[Bridget]

And that's where their problems began, IMO. With property and land in the hands of someone not entirely interested in the same way as them, their future could have been less secure than it previously was. Not for one moment am I suggesting that in one blinding flash they all colluded in framing, but I think that when putting Jeremy in the frame presented itself as a possibility, they "nudged" it a little.

Yes, saw your other post about that and you made a good point, but what was in it for the police and forensic scientists who put their careers on the line?

[Patti]

As you know, there would have been forensic evidence of JB all over the house, and all completely useless seeing as he worked there. He got caught later climbing in through the window didn't he? Do you reckon that was the first time he'd done it?

He worked there yes....but where is the forensic evidence showing he got in and out from a window? lol
There is none...because he didn't do it. 

[Bridget]

He worked there yes....but where is the forensic evidence showing he got in and out from a window? lol
There is none...because he didn't do it. 

Did he leave forensic evidence when he got in through the window on the later date?

[JackiePreece]

 

He worked there yes....but where is the forensic evidence showing he got in and out from a window? lol
There is none...because he didn't do it. 

[Jane]

Yes, saw your other post about that and you made a good point, but what was in it for the police and forensic scientists who put their careers on the line?

Bridget, I'm not certain it was a question of "what was in it.......," rather, that at some point, the whole thing gained a life of its' own and became subject to the law of unintended consequences. I guess all it took was one error of judgement or a mistake which was neither admitted to or rectified, coupled with the desire to cover anothers back. I was told as a child, that when a lie was told, a second would have to be told to cover the first. I believe they "knew" everything there was to know before they went into the farmhouse and may have inadvertantly overlooked, or swept aside as unimportant,anything which didn't fit, ultimately resulting in the need for a conspiracy of silence.

[tyler]

Yes re the swabs.  Falsified for the purpose of arguing the case that it was not Sheila.  Just as I suspect that police came up with the idea that the silencer could be used as a 'prop' to also argue the same?

Re any items taken from the scene, perhaps the original handwritten SOC register might come in handy?

I have forgotten who took the hand swabs,but he admitted that he had never done it before and was not familiar with the procedure.
Regarding Sheilas clothes......Junes day clothes are clearly visible on a stool? in her bedroom.In the crimescene photo of Sheilas bedroom,there doesnt appear to be any day clothes lying around.

[Bridget]

Bridget, I'm not certain it was a question of "what was in it.......," rather, that at some point, the whole thing gained a life of its' own and became subject to the law of unintended consequences. I guess all it took was one error of judgement or a mistake which was neither admitted to or rectified, coupled with the desire to cover anothers back. I was told as a child, that when a lie was told, a second would have to be told to cover the first. I believe they "knew" everything there was to know before they went into the farmhouse and may have inadvertantly overlooked, or swept aside as unimportant,anything which didn't fit, ultimately resulting in the need for a conspiracy of silence.

But what they knew (or believed) was that Sheila had shot everyone, why would they change tack at the whim of the relatives, and at risk of their careers?

[Patti]

I have forgotten who took the hand swabs,but he admitted that he had never done it before and was not familiar with the procedure.
Regarding Sheilas clothes......Junes day clothes are clearly visible on a stool? in her bedroom.In the crimescene photo of Sheilas bedroom,there doesnt appear to be any day clothes lying around.

That's a very good point Tyler....Where were Sheila's clothes.