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Offline Sparkle

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Guilty?
« on: May 31, 2012, 02:44:PM »
I'm kind of new to all this so please forgive me if I'm writing this in the wrong place or anything.

From what I've read about this case, there seems to be nothing but circumstantial evidence to support both guilty and non guilty theories, however I'm struggling to see how the opinion that JB could be guilty can be formed.

I feel that there is no forensic evidence, and even guesswork would lead me to think that Jeremy did not commit these murders. Can anyone give me a believable, convincing argument or evidence to the contrary? I've had a look round the Internet and pretty much all I've seen from the guilty camp goes along the lines of "HE IS AN EVIL CHILD KILLER, LET HIM ROT!" with nothing to back up these wild statements!

I had a really snotty tweet the other week telling me to "check your facts, he is guilty" if anyone c

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2012, 02:45:PM »
Oops sorry my phone posted for me before I finished!

If anyone could direct me to these so called facts then it would be appreciated!

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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2012, 02:54:PM »
Hi sparkle  I have asked this question many times on this forum and as yet I have not been convinced that Jeremy Bamber is guilty of these horrific murders.  I am quite new to the case so my knowledge is limited but I have read and read different documents and it would appear evidence is being held back and if Jeremy was guilty why would this action be necessary.  So I am sorry I cannot convince you one way or another.  lookout and Patti have done much research and they could tell you more than I.  I suppose the argument is how could Sheila have carried out these murders she had no marks on her as Ralph had been severly beaten one would expect some marks but then again neither did Jeremy have any marks on him.  I suppose you will have to do what I do read the for and against and you will make up your own mind up but everyhting appears to be supposition.

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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2012, 03:05:PM »
Hi Sparkle  Patti or lookout will beable to help you I am still finding my own feet on the facts of this case.

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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2012, 03:32:PM »
Hi Susan and Sparkle.   It's easier for me because I've actually followed this pretty well from when the horrendous " crime " took place.
As Susan knows,,,I'm of the strong belief that Jeremy is innocent as besides there being nothing to incriminate him,,it's his poor sister who had the " motive " more than anyone else.
The girl was sick,with big psychological problems and back in the late 70's early 80's her illness wasn't recognised as it is today.

I fully understood Sheila's illness having worked in an " asylum " as it was known in the 50's and for patients such as Sheila,they used to be " knocked out " via an injection known as Paraldehyde,a noxious and distressingly instant " hit " to those who proved to be beyond assistance during a psychotic bout.

During the 80's,medication had moved on,but knowledge of schizophrenic behaviour was still in its early days and was very misunderstood,so therefore it was always hit and miss as regards the treatment and the actual understanding of the patient.
Dr Ferguson who was treating Sheila " didn't think " that Sheila was suicidal. A lot of schizophrenics are suicidal and even today,,their lives aren't as long as those who aren't mentally disturbed.

I would have stated immediately that it had been Sheila because of past experiences with people like her. I'd also like to add about their strength,  capabilities  and deviousness. They are quite lucid one minute and the next,they can kill you if you're not careful . While working at a hospital/asylum, I nearly discovered how dangerous a young 18 year old could be,,,when I was making her bed one morning. She picked me up like a rag doll and threw me onto the iron frame of the bed. I was winded and bruised,,but made sure she was out of her room the next time. Unpredictable,is the operative word for all schizophrenics.

So there you are. I would leave Jeremy out of the equation altogether because it's not about him murdering anyone. It was about his very ill sister.

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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 04:16:PM »
Yes, I can't see money as a motive. If his parents were pretty much financing his lifestyle then he would have already benefited from their money, why kill them? Maybe if they had threatened to cut him off I'd be more inclined to believe it was him! My mum pays my rent, upkeep on my car, buys my kids and me clothes (I'm poor and she's a soft touch lol). I know she has money to leave me should the worst happen but I wouldn't bump her off for it - even if I was the murdering type, as she already puts so much money into my children, my business and myself!

Plus, having a bit of an understanding of mental illness, this kind of crime surely had to be undertaken by someone very, very poorly. As I understand Jeremy has no such mental illness?

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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2012, 04:20:PM »
Hi lookout  many thanks for that I am sure it will help Sparkle to understand Sheila,s illness and as I said she will make her own mind up as she goes.Not really sure what set Sheila off think it was more than fostering episode but we will never know. :(

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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2012, 04:24:PM »
Hi Sparkle,,,no Jeremy isn't mentally ill,just a mug who " took the wrap " for this.
A case of,if all else fails when the others are dead,,,blame the one left behind.It's easy.
Jeremy had no motive whatsoever.There's not a scrap of evidence to prove it was him who did it.
His relatives appeared to have done all the groundwork,,instead of the police.
Fair trial.? No. I don't think so.

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2012, 04:26:PM »
By his phone call he made it him or Sheila, and there's no evidence it was her.
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2012, 04:29:PM »
It terrifies me that someone can have their whole life ripped away from them pretty much on the say so of their ex, and some dodgy evidence "found" by people who stand to gain financially from a conviction!

I can fully understand a conversation regarding fostering (or something similar, I don't believe that the subject of actual foster care would have been brought up, due to their father) could have set Sheila off...

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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2012, 04:30:PM »
By his phone call he made it him or Sheila, and there's no evidence it was her.

Hi Bridget, which phone call do you mean?

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2012, 04:32:PM »
Hi Bridget, which phone call do you mean?

The one Jeremy made to the police and in which he said that his father had told him Sheila has a gun and is going crazy (or similar).
....just cos I eat worms...

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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2012, 04:35:PM »
The fostering episode wouldn't have just sparked Sheila off,,but for whatever other reason that was going on in her mind,,it certainly did help to exacerbate an already volatile situation.

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Re: Guilty?
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2012, 05:03:PM »
Hello Sparkle, like lookout, I've followed this case from the beginning. Like Jeremy and Sheila, I'm adopted, and for that reason perhaps, back then, I believed Jeremy was guilty, which probably said more about me, than him, but I didn't commit murder, EITHER!!!!! Mind you, in 1985, Jeremy did himself no favours and his arrogant, supercilious and contemptuous attitude was probably responsible for many feeling he had been given his just desserts.........but none of the afore mentioned made him a murderer. I'm now inclined to think that a scapegoat was needed and Jeremy was available. Hope you enjoy your time here.

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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2012, 05:30:PM »
Hello Sparkle, like lookout, I've followed this case from the beginning. Like Jeremy and Sheila, I'm adopted, and for that reason perhaps, back then, I believed Jeremy was guilty, which probably said more about me, than him, but I didn't commit murder, EITHER!!!!! Mind you, in 1985, Jeremy did himself no favours and his arrogant, supercilious and contemptuous attitude was probably responsible for many feeling he had been given his just desserts.........but none of the afore mentioned made him a murderer. I'm now inclined to think that a scapegoat was needed and Jeremy was available. Hope you enjoy your time here.

Speaking as someone in their 20s (just about lol), I have to say that I know plenty of lads around this age. Most of them are arrogant, obnoxious little twerps - particularly the pretty ones - but I don't think any of them have shot their families!! That kind of attitude is just part and parcel of being a young man in my experience x