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« Reply #270 on: June 05, 2012, 11:25:PM »

My thoughts precisely, Mertol. Though I doubt if we will ever know for certain who that hunched and scruffy figure was who was seen walking away from WHF by police.

We know who he wasn't. He was Jeremy because he was with the police. He wasn't Fraser-Bell, because he was driving a tractor. So who was he?

I saw this figure mentioned on here the other day and I've yet to come across him/her properly, hopefully the book will shed some light. Completely irrelevant but I remember at my dad's house down the road from the farm around about the day this happened I was walking up the stairs at 04:00 in the morning and somebody threw a brick at me through the living room window, the police turned up and interviewed me (I was 8 ) but they weren't interested at all, they said it was just a local bloke that they knew of!
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« Reply #271 on: June 05, 2012, 11:27:PM »

My thoughts precisely, Mertol. Though I doubt if we will ever know for certain who that hunched and scruffy figure was who was seen walking away from WHF by police.

We know who he wasn't. He was Jeremy because he was with the police. He wasn't Fraser-Bell, because he was driving a tractor. So who was he?
your reply 269 keira speaks of a grudge , a grievence if you will , a grudge can be very dangerous because they can be put on hold, pending from a month to years ahead never forgetting, the answer to your figure may exist  though i read colins book finally  not everything was picked up as i said to patti  i will need to go over a few areas i missed it the first time but found it earlier this evening it sounds daft at first but now im not sure myself.

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« Reply #272 on: June 05, 2012, 11:28:PM »
Yes certainly, that all makes sense, but I think that Wilkes sets it up in a strange way in the book so as to somehow try and highlight a weakness or plant a seed of a conspiracy, I have only read the first four chapters so far though. I just wondered if this might have been the start of the conspiracy theory about the other ex-serviceman. I have also read about the panic alarm. I think the way it is worded in the book it suggests that Nevill expected to get shot. However, there is no way to know where the quotes came from either.


Perhaps. I enjoyed the Wilkes book and, when I first read it, viewed it as the best researched of the books so the most reliable. The problem is though that Wilkes does not attribute his sources -  though none of the other books do that either, or perhaps Claire Powell does. We're told that Wilkes interviewed a lot of witnesses, but he does not identify them or attribute who told him what. He spent a considerable amount of time interviewing Jeremy's extended family, who we know have a rather one sided view of the case.

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« Reply #273 on: June 05, 2012, 11:33:PM »
I saw this figure mentioned on here the other day and I've yet to come across him/her properly, hopefully the book will shed some light. Completely irrelevant but I remember at my dad's house down the road from the farm around about the day this happened I was walking up the stairs at 04:00 in the morning and somebody threw a brick at me through the living room window, the police turned up and interviewed me (I was 8 ) but they weren't interested at all, they said it was just a local bloke that they knew of!
Thats really strange ajross.

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« Reply #274 on: June 06, 2012, 12:05:AM »
interesting in Wilkes book at the end of chapter 3 that Nevill seemed to suggest to the secretary that his death may have been imminent, I'm guessing this may be where the outlandish secret service murder theory began. Also interesting were some of the comments about what Sheila said to the consultant.
ajross.......this is certainly where the outlandish theory from Robert Boutflour and Barbara Wilson came from that Nevill feared that Jeremy wanted to kill him!
This,even though a witness (have forgotten his name)had been present went Nevill had received at least a couple of threatening telephone calls.

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« Reply #275 on: June 06, 2012, 12:16:AM »

I saw this figure mentioned on here the other day and I've yet to come across him/her properly, hopefully the book will shed some light. Completely irrelevant but I remember at my dad's house down the road from the farm around about the day this happened I was walking up the stairs at 04:00 in the morning and somebody threw a brick at me through the living room window, the police turned up and interviewed me (I was 8 ) but they weren't interested at all, they said it was just a local bloke that they knew of!



Wow! What did you and your father make of this? Did the police perhap tell your father more about this than they told you?

A local bloke they knew of...hmmm

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« Reply #276 on: June 06, 2012, 12:20:AM »

Wow! What did you and your father make of this? Did the police perhap tell your father more about this than they told you?

A local bloke they knew of...hmmm
I thought of Jimmy Bell Keira. Do you know any others?

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« Reply #277 on: June 06, 2012, 01:11:AM »
I thought of Jimmy Bell Keira. Do you know any others?


No, I 'm thinking of Jimmy Bell too, Mags. It's interesting that Mat seems to ignore the very clear evidence in respect of Jimmy Bell.

I wonder why that might be?

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« Reply #278 on: June 06, 2012, 01:15:AM »

No, I 'm thinking of Jimmy Bell too, Mags. It's interesting that Mat seems to ignore the very clear evidence in respect of Jimmy Bell.

I wonder why that might be?
Well that might upset his dogmatic belief that Jeremy Bamber did it. No argument, no maybe.

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« Reply #279 on: June 06, 2012, 07:54:AM »

Wow! What did you and your father make of this? Did the police perhap tell your father more about this than they told you?

A local bloke they knew of...hmmm

As I remember they asked me a few questions about what he looked like and what I saw and then I was sent back to bed. It's possible they stayed and talked to my father after, it's also possible he was involved in something he shouldn't have been, he had a mysterious fire in the same house a short while after. But they definitely said to me it was just a local chap that did that sort of thing and I shouldn't worry, although I'm now 35 and have never forgotten it!

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« Reply #280 on: June 06, 2012, 09:32:AM »
The figure walking away ??
Now this incident that was reported by the police themselves has always puzzled me? Why did not the police themselves follow this up? This so called investigation was a complete shambles.

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« Reply #281 on: June 06, 2012, 09:43:AM »
Now this incident that was reported by the police themselves has always puzzled me? Why did not the police themselves follow this up? This so called investigation was a complete shambles.

Certainty of Sheila having been responsible?  I simply do not believe this is down to JB, who in actual fact blamed the raid team for the deaths in the house.  This is a staggering fact which too many people steer clear of because it totally messes up the cliched theory of the cops acting not only for one morninng but for one month, on the say so of JB on the morning?
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« Reply #282 on: June 06, 2012, 10:04:AM »
Certainty of Sheila having been responsible?  I simply do not believe this is down to JB, who in actual fact blamed the raid team for the deaths in the house.  This is a staggering fact which too many people steer clear of because it totally messes up the cliched theory of the cops acting not only for one morninng but for one month, on the say so of JB on the morning?
Yes, so true Roch, the theory that JB set up and implicated Sheila as the 'nutter' assasin is a mainstay of the guilty camp argument. He was bound to tell the police she was a 'nutter' because she was a diagnosed scizophrenic who had psychotic episodes. It would have been more strange if Jb hadn'ntt mentioned this.His choice of words wasn't great but he wasn't on trial for his vocabularly or attitude to mental health.

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« Reply #283 on: June 06, 2012, 01:47:PM »
Yes, so true Roch, the theory that JB set up and implicated Sheila as the 'nutter' assasin is a mainstay of the guilty camp argument. He was bound to tell the police she was a 'nutter' because she was a diagnosed scizophrenic who had psychotic episodes. It would have been more strange if Jb hadn'ntt mentioned this.His choice of words wasn't great but he wasn't on trial for his vocabularly or attitude to mental health.

Totally agree.  This kind of stuff is the mainstay of what I term the 'far right' of the guilty camp.  Maybe it's time for an unofficial shot at myths and facts?  The official site already has such a section and the .org site has a similar page.  It would be interesting to see just how many of the accusations can be rebutted in total?

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« Reply #284 on: June 06, 2012, 02:16:PM »
Well if anyone has the hardback of Colins book In search of the Rainbows End the 1st part of page 175 has some fireworks .