Book Reviews - Murders/Suicide at WHF

[grahameb]

Basically that you are starting from the assumption that Sheila must have killed everyone in order to arrive at the conclusion that she had an episode, which is back to front. I realise that the same could be said for some of the assumptions made by the prosecution about JB.

I suppose the mirror of this is that people still call JB  a psychopath even though there is no evidence to support this? On the contrary there is positive evidence to demonstrate that he is not a psychopath. But there are still those who argue that he is.

[Bridget]

Gosh, Bridget, this is beginning to feel like Wimbledon with words. What you are saying is the complete reverse of my thinking. My starting point was the apparent indecision on what constituted an appropriate dose of medication. followed by a time lapse in the consultant receiving the information that she had been given 50mgs less than the originally recommended lower dose.

Well then you are not back to front

But in all honesty, working in that direction, can you say that the reduction would definately have resulted in an episode, and not only that, but it would have occurred on the night of the 6th/7th of August?

[Jane]

Hi AJ the party was held on the Saturday, the 3rd of August. Colin took Sheila to WHF on the 4th which was the Sunday. I admit he is not clear on that in his book, but his statement in the archives confirms it......

Patti, how horrid for you. Can you leave off the painkillers for your Friday night Chards?

[mertol22]

Patti, how horrid for you. Can you leave off the painkillers for your Friday night Chards?

I dont know what day of the week patti obtains her chardo, but she is razor sharp soon after april.

[Jane]

I dont know what day of the week patti obtains her chardo, but she is razor sharp soon after april.

Might it do the same for us if we join her?

[mertol22]

a glass of wine stimulates the mind april gives you a edge this ice cold cola is cooling my forehead down you think better, with patti its room temp with me its chilled.

[Jane]

Gosh, Bridget, this is beginning to feel like Wimbledon with words. What you are saying is the complete reverse of my thinking. My starting point was the apparent indecision on what constituted an appropriate dose of medication. followed by a time lapse in the consultant receiving the information that she had been given 50mgs less than the originally recommended lower dose.

Well then you are not back to front

But in all honesty, working in that direction, can you say that the reduction would definately have resulted in an episode, and not only that, but it would have occurred on the night of the 6th/7th of August?

Morning Bridget. No, I can offer no proof that it would have and no proof that it wouldn't. All either of us could offer is that it MAY have, and I'm inclined to think that had defence offered this information to the jury the outcome MAY have been other than it was.

[lebaleb]

Carving 'I hate this place' into a cupboard door where it would certainly be found by your mother [if she were alive] doesn't sound like an act of an adult in their right mind to me.

[lookout]

Carving 'I hate this place' into a cupboard door where it would certainly be found by your mother [if she were alive] doesn't sound like an act of an adult in their right mind to me.

lebaleb,,Sheila wasn't in her right mind at all,,,,in fact after her last stay as an in-patient,it was said that she had deteriorated somewhat,,,and I would have thought that people WERE  indeed worried about her health and she would have been teetering on the brink of a disaster,as it was clearly brewing that night of the tragedy.
Just refresh my memory.Did she sign herself out of hospital.? I know that patients can do this,unless they've been sectioned,because places are no longer institutions where they are " locked up."

[Bridget]

Carving 'I hate this place' into a cupboard door where it would certainly be found by your mother [if she were alive] doesn't sound like an act of an adult in their right mind to me.

When was it carved and by whom?

[andrea]

Apart from Sheilas mental health, what else do you think makes her a murderer?

[lookout]

When was it carved and by whom?

Morning Bridget,,,it would have been Sheila who'd have carved those words inside the wardrobe. The boys were too young to have thought that out. Neither June or Nevill would have done it,,,as it was their home and had been for a number of years.
I don't think it's been entered anywhere as to when it was done,.,but I'd say it was during that time that Sheila and the boys were last there. As lebaleb has already pointed out,,it was done by someone who wasn't in the right frame of mind.

[lookout]

Apart from Sheilas mental health, what else do you think makes her a murderer?

It was Sheilas' health that that was murderous,,,not her as a person. Sheila wasn't in control of her illness and sadly it was her state of mind that took over. She wouldn't have been fully aware of what she did.

[Bridget]

Morning Bridget,,,it would have been Sheila who'd have carved those words inside the wardrobe. The boys were too young to have thought that out. Neither June or Nevill would have done it,,,as it was their home and had been for a number of years.
I don't think it's been entered anywhere as to when it was done,.,but I'd say it was during that time that Sheila and the boys were last there. As lebaleb has already pointed out,,it was done by someone who wasn't in the right frame of mind.

So really then, it could also have been Jeremy, a year or so prior.

[Bridget]

Sorry, forgot to say good morning!