Letter contents written by Colin Caffell to Ralph Bamber sparks off shootings

[lookout]

Harsh it may be,but I was trying to get my point across about the importance of all children in general who are living in such a situation. Though sadly,it's not always such families who are under suspicion,,,,,but who end up being killed by either parent. We read about such cases quite regularly,unfortunately,as emotional abuse doesn't always show like bumps and bruises do.

[vidvic]

sorry vidvic I seem to have lost the thread who was living with him?

The children. The twins. They were living with Colin, not Sheila. Colin had support from his family too. As I have suggested before, any talk of fostering was not the bamber's call to make.

[Bridget]

many children are better off in foster care the recent case of a boy living in a coal bunker is unaceptable the current year is 2012 not 1912, would you describe the parents of this boy as good loving parents ?

Would you describe that as a typical example of single parenting?

[lookout]

Vidvic,,,,,Sheila would still have had rights to have seen the twins,even though they were with their father.
Who knows what would/could have happened in their future.? No matter who they lived with. As Colin stated,their granny wasn't a " full shilling " with her bible preachings to the twins.
Pillar to post isn't a good start to any child's life. It was by no means ideal.

[vidvic]

Vidvic,,,,,Sheila would still have had rights to have seen the twins,even though they were with their father.
Who knows what would/could have happened in their future.? No matter who they lived with. As Colin stated,their granny wasn't a " full shilling " with her bible preachings to the twins.
Pillar to post isn't a good start to any child's life. It was by no means ideal.

But Colin was in control of the situation not Sheila or the bamber's, that is the point. Of course Sheila had access, hence their tragic visit to the farm and hence his proposed letter to Nevill.

[susan]

Thanks for that vidvic I am sure Colin was a good and loving Father to the twins and he would have been capable of bringing them up can,t see the relevance of this fostering unless it just agitated Sheila I read she wanted to get back with Colin and become a family again.

[vidvic]

Thanks for that vidvic I am sure Colin was a good and loving Father to the twins and he would have been capable of bringing them up can,t see the relevance of this fostering unless it just agitated Sheila I read she wanted to get back with Colin and become a family again.

Am trying to provide the context with which bamber's version of that nights events, seems improbable.

[lookout]

The fostering conversation would have been a " stop-gap " to give Colin a breather,,,or why else did they go in the first place.? It's a last resort before the children can be looked after by any other family member.
Where was Colin when the children were taken.? I'd have thought he'd have moved Heaven and Earth before anyone would have taken them.

[vidvic]

The fostering conversation would have been a " stop-gap " to give Colin a breather,,,or why else did they go in the first place.? It's a last resort before the children can be looked after by any other family member.
Where was Colin when the children were taken.? I'd have thought he'd have moved Heaven and Earth before anyone would have taken them.

The children were never taken anywhere. Sheila had day care support but she still struggled to cope and was then hospitalised. This is when Colin took control.

[Bridget]

The fostering conversation would have been a " stop-gap " to give Colin a breather,,,or why else did they go in the first place.? It's a last resort before the children can be looked after by any other family member.
Where was Colin when the children were taken.? I'd have thought he'd have moved Heaven and Earth before anyone would have taken them.

I'm not sure what you are asking. It's my understanding that the children were never 'taken', they did spend part days with foster carers, who might be better described as baby sitters. I've never been able to find much about that.

[vidvic]

Can I add this to my myth list? That the children were taken away from Sheila?

[ngb1066]

Am trying to provide the context with which bamber's version of that nights events, seems improbable.

There were discussions by Nevill and June about fostering the twins.  I accept that this is something which would have been strongly resisted by Colin and he would probably have been able to prevent it.  This nevertheless was something being actively considered by Nevill and June.  They favoured the twins being fostered locally with Sheila also living locally.  It should be remembered that although Colin had some respect for Nevill he certainly did not have any for June.  In fact his opinion of her could be described as close to loathing, and the fellings was I suspect mutual.  Colin was clearly not held in high regard, I suspect for several reasons.

[vidvic]

There were discussions by Nevill and June about fostering the twins.  I accept that this is something which would have been strongly resisted by Colin and he would probably have been able to prevent it.  This nevertheless was something being actively considered by Nevill and June.  They favoured the twins being fostered locally with Sheila also living locally.  It should be remembered that although Colin had some respect for Nevill he certainly did not have any for June.  In fact his opinion of her could be described as close to loathing, and the fellings was I suspect mutual.  Colin was clearly not held in high regard, I suspect for several reasons.

How do you know?

[Bridget]

There were discussions by Nevill and June about fostering the twins.  I accept that this is something which would have been strongly resisted by Colin and he would probably have been able to prevent it.  This nevertheless was something being actively considered by Nevill and June.  They favoured the twins being fostered locally with Sheila also living locally.  It should be remembered that although Colin had some respect for Nevill he certainly did not have any for June.  In fact his opinion of her could be described as close to loathing, and the fellings was I suspect mutual.  Colin was clearly not held in high regard, I suspect for several reasons.

According to Colin's mother's statement June at least was against the idea of fostering.

[ngb1066]

How do you know?

I posted on this a while back Vic.  A witness has recently confirmed that such discussions did take place.  This person is a credible witness with no axe to grind (the witness in fact believes JB is guilty).  The witness did provide witness statements for the trial but appears never to have been asked about this until recently.

My information about the relationship between Colin and Nevill and June is taken from Colin's book.