Letter contents written by Colin Caffell to Ralph Bamber sparks off shootings

[susan]

Hi mertoll  I think we have discussed this forced praying before and the fact the twins I assume did not stay too often with their Grannie I don,t think it would have had such an adverse effect on them.

[susan]

Mertoll it is like an execution style killing :'(

[susan]

Morning egap1  I think you could be right the effect on Sheila after meeting her birth mother could have had an adverse effect on her.  We just don,t know what was going on in her mind.  Her own Mother gave her up for adoption and as you said perhaps the thought of loosing custody of her twins she would have felt she too had failed as a Mother.

[Bridget]

So anyway... since this letter was never sent I guess this is just another inaccurate thread title..

[vidvic]

Absolutely! In debate this morning that's 2 already!!

[Bridget]

It's a bit like buses, isn't it?

[lookout]

The children should have been of paramount importance here,and they weren't.
Nothing changes.Even today children slip through the net of social workers.
 There should have been a court order in place to have kept the children in foster care,until such times that their home life was free from emotional abuse. They couldn't have been on an " at risk " register,or they could possibly have still been alive today.
The school teacher should have contacted social services if she'd have had doubts about the twin's welfare. Also the GP should have played a larger part in their welfare than he did.

How sad and desperate Colin must have felt.Whether he sent the letter or not,he wrote his feelings,,,,,,he was pleading,and probably banging his head against a brick wall. Poor man.

[Bridget]

The children should have been of paramount importance here,and they weren't.
Nothing changes.Even today children slip through the net of social workers.
 There should have been a court order in place to have kept the children in foster care,until such times that their home life was free from emotional abuse. They couldn't have been on an " at risk " register,or they could possibly have still been alive today.
The school teacher should have contacted social services if she'd have had doubts about the twin's welfare. Also the GP should have played a larger part in their welfare than he did.

How sad and desperate Colin must have felt.Whether he sent the letter or not,he wrote his feelings,,,,,,he was pleading,and probably banging his head against a brick wall. Poor man.

They had a perfectly good father, why would they need to have been placed in foster care?

[lonny]

I don't believe it was ever sent patti. If I'm wrong then I apologise now, but I believe this is the unsent letter (which I've seen before) and if I'm right, and not sent, it could not have influenced the shootings as described in the thread title.

Another point. Jeremy said that they discussed the fostering of the children on the night of the murders, Jeremy pushing this as a possible motive for Sheila's violent reaction.

It is quite clear from this letter that Colin very much was in control of the children and would simply have stopped them from being fostered.

For me, it is a clear indication that the alleged discussion the night before the murders didn't happen.

That's assuming he had time and means to look after them, if he had either why didn't he start proceedings to do just that?...with fostering he would still have had access to them and they would also be receiving any support they would need for the problems they already had, maybe something he had no experience of? 

[vidvic]

They were living with him.

[lookout]

Because father's/single parents usually have to go to work anyway. Then there'd be the constant disharmony between Colin and Sheila as to who has the children during week-ends,holidays,etc,,,with the knowledge that Colin already had about Sheila's unpredictable " behaviour ".
Well,I must say,it wasn't such a good idea taking them for that last weekend at WHF.

[vidvic]

Because father's/single parents usually have to go to work anyway. Then there'd be the constant disharmony between Colin and Sheila as to who has the children during week-ends,holidays,etc,,,with the knowledge that Colin already had about Sheila's unpredictable " behaviour ".
Well,I must say,it wasn't such a good idea taking them for that last weekend at WHF.

That's incredibly harsh.

[Bridget]

Because father's/single parents usually have to go to work anyway. Then there'd be the constant disharmony between Colin and Sheila as to who has the children during week-ends,holidays,etc,,,with the knowledge that Colin already had about Sheila's unpredictable " behaviour ".
Well,I must say,it wasn't such a good idea taking them for that last weekend at WHF.

I'm sure there will be more than a few single parents who will feel insulted by the suggestion that because they have to work their children would be better off in foster care.

[susan]

sorry vidvic I seem to have lost the thread who was living with him?

[mertol22]

I'm sure there will be more than a few single parents who will feel insulted by the suggestion that because they have to work their children would be better off in foster care.

many children are better off in foster care the recent case of a boy living in a coal bunker is unaceptable the current year is 2012 not 1912, would you describe the parents of this boy as good loving parents ?