Police came up with idea that semi-automatic rifle went off second time (recoil)

[mike tesko]

Police came up with idea that semi-automatic rifle went off second time (recoil)

Everyone should pause for a moment and think about this, because what we have here is a situation where police officers at the scene (whilst the bodies are still insitu) gathered around the body of Sheila in the main bedroom, debating amongst themselves how Sheila could have shot herself a second time? They came to the conclusion that it was possible for her to have done so by a process of recoil, where the weapon had discharged itself a second time within a split second of the first shot having gone off?

According to them, it was only possible for this to happen involving use of semi-automatic firearms...

[mike tesko]

The police came up with this explanation, not Jeremy, or anybody else...

I think this was part of the reason why police stage managed the scene and put the semi-automatic rifle on Sheila's body, and then got PC Bird to photograph the body with the gun upon it in the various positions? I also think this has got something to do with why the original fragmented bullet (PV/20) was substituted and replaced with a whole bullet, so that the ballistic expert Fletcher) could link or associate both bullets 9PV/19 and PV/200 to that semi-automatic rifle...

[bloggs and son]

But Mike. Doesn't that militate against your theory that the police shot her?

[guest154]

They were under the impression that it was a suicide at this point though - so it would only be natural that they wondered how she'd shot herself twice.
To me it sounds like they were getting suspicious even at that stage.

[Patti]

They were under the impression that it was a suicide at this point though - so it would only be natural that they wondered how she'd shot herself twice.
To me it sounds like they were getting suspicious even at that stage.

Hi Mat, it is feasible that a 2nd shot would have gone off, it depends on the shock to body and the reaction made after the 1st shot. You would not have to recoil after every shot, it was a semi automatic, so a relex from the finger could have caused a 2nd shot......it's proving it.

[bloggs and son]

Hi Mat, it is feasible that a 2nd shot would have gone off, it depends on the shock to body and the reaction made after the 1st shot. You would not have to recoil after every shot, it was a semi automatic, so a relex from the finger could have caused a 2nd shot......it's proving it.

This has been discussed before. In actual fact it is not uncommon for those who have committed suicide to have shot themselves twice.

[Patti]

This has been discussed before. In actual fact it is not uncommon for those who have committed suicide to have shot themselves twice.

Hi Grahame, I don't think the gun did go off on it;s own.  Looking at the photo's and those of Sheila's arm, tell me that she brought her arm up to her neck, hence the vertical marks down her arms.....I'm just arguing the point that a gin like that and the back kick of the reaction to the shot, could have made it go off a 2nd time.....but then she would have not had time to have brought her hand up....unless of course the blood on her arms were not hers....Good night Grahame ....sleep well X

[mike tesko]

I agree...

I think Sheila brought her right hand up into position against the original wound on her neck long before the second wound was inflicted...

[guest154]

I agree...

I think Sheila brought her right hand up into position against the original wound on her neck long before the second wound was inflicted...

Absolutely. No way did the gun go off twice, it's not 'uncommon', well it is! It's very, very, rare. Especially with this weapon.

[Roch]

They were under the impression that it was a suicide at this point though - so it would only be natural that they wondered how she'd shot herself twice.
To me it sounds like they were getting suspicious even at that stage.

Which is exactly why their stance throughout August and in to early September is so puzzling.

A suspicion not born out in their stance on the case throughout August and in to early September.

Neither did the pathologist seem concerned. 

[mike tesko]

Sheila was stood or sat upright at the time the second fatal shot under the chin went off, as evidenced by the blood spalshed on the front upper right hand side of her nightdress - professor Knight (defence pathologist) at one time described the gap bewteen the two shots as being as long as half and hour or more...

[ngb1066]

Absolutely. No way did the gun go off twice, it's not 'uncommon', well it is! It's very, very, rare. Especially with this weapon.

Do you have experience with firearms Mat?

[Bridget]

Sheila was stood or sat upright at the time the second fatal shot under the chin went off, as evidenced by the blood spalshed on the front upper right hand side of her nightdress - professor Knight (defence pathologist) at one time described the gap bewteen the two shots as being as long as half and hour or more...

That reminds me, did you manage to find Prof Knight's report yet Mike?

[guest154]

Do you have experience with firearms Mat?

No, if I hear about a gun - I either read out about it or make phone calls to people that do have experiences with older type weapons.
My Dad, a cop, was killed in the 80's whilst off duty, so I try and find work/cases that don't involve me having to personally work around firearms. Hate them greatly.

[Roch]

No, if I hear about a gun - I either read out about it or make phone calls to people that do have experiences with older type weapons.
My Dad, a cop, was killed in the 80's whilst off duty, so I try and find work/cases that don't involve me having to personally work around firearms. Hate them greatly.

Sorry to hear that Mat.