Occupants of CA07, relayed information to control room, from raid team...

[bloggs and son]

Actually, just one more question (sounds like Columbo ), where have you got the 'No guns were found upstairs' from?

Wasn't it posted somewhere that Ralph kept a shotgun under his bed in case he heard foxes? Sounds a bit hillbilly to me though.

[Patti]

So three posts ago when I said 'by Jeremy's gun, do you mean the Anshutz' and you said 'NO', you actually meant YES. 

Just to reiterate Patti, I'm not arguing or questioning what you posted, I was just asking for clarification. But you have given it now, thank you.

Any chance I can have that one in the fridge? 

No I did not say no...stop trying to trip me up and bump my head. 

No chance...it's all mine...Tell you what I will share it with you...how's that. 

[Patti]

Actually, just one more question (sounds like Columbo ), where have you got the 'No guns were found upstairs' from?

Hi Hartley if there had been guns found upstairs then those guns would have been listed by the family and there is no additional guns found other than the ones I have mentioned to you...

5 guns were found after the murders and this does not include the gun that was found on Sheila.

What I am trying to gain here is whether or not the police were telling the truth or I am making it all up as I go along...hahahaha

[Patti]

Wasn't it posted somewhere that Ralph kept a shotgun under his bed in case he heard foxes? Sounds a bit hillbilly to me though.

I have read that too Grahame, from off here...how true it is, I don't know....You want to see what I keep under the bed....Ha! 

[NewChilledOutHartley]

No I did not say no...stop trying to trip me up and bump my head. 

No chance...it's all mine...Tell you what I will share it with you...how's that. 

Sounds good. 

[Bridget]

Hi Hartley if there had been guns found upstairs then those guns would have been listed by the family and there is no additional guns found other than the ones I have mentioned to you...

5 guns were found after the murders and this does not include the gun that was found on Sheila.

What I am trying to gain here is whether or not the police were telling the truth or I am making it all up as I go along...hahahaha

Could it be the case Patti, that the list the family made was just of the ones they found and took away on that day? Also, it's worth pointing out that neither Jeapes or Rozga were positive as to what they had seen, they both said "what appeared to be..." or words to that effect.

[Patti]

Could it be the case Patti, that the list the family made was just of the ones they found and took away on that day? Also, it's worth pointing out that neither Jeapes or Rozga were positive as to what they had seen, they both said "what appeared to be..." or words to that effect.

Well Bridget my dear if you say that then you must also say that they can't be positive about other things they have said.....The fact is they said it in a statement. The other fact is, that it might have never been brought up at the original trial....that Jeaps saw a rifle at a window...or that Roz might have seen one in the office upstairs....

If this had been questioned at the time, then it could have had a impact to the jury...in believing that it was possible that the gun that killed Sheila was in fact the rifle Jeapes saw at the window, prior to rad team breaking in....and the reason that no officer found that gun in that room is because it had been used on Sheila.....I'm not laughing....but I am smiling with quite a large Cheshire grin....because I know what you are going to say next....

[Bridget]

Well Bridget my dear if you say that then you must also say that they can't be positive about other things they have said.....The fact is they said it in a statement. The other fact is, that it might have never been brought up at the original trial....that Jeaps saw a rifle at a window...or that Roz might have seen one in the office upstairs....

If this had been questioned at the time, then it could have had a impact to the jury...in believing that it was possible that the gun that killed Sheila was in fact the rifle Jeapes saw at the window, prior to rad team breaking in....and the reason that no officer found that gun in that room is because it had been used on Sheila.....I'm not laughing....but I am smiling with quite a large Cheshire grin....because I know what you are going to say next....

I am not going to say it then - but you know what I'm thinking...

[mike tesko]

Identify the rifle which WPC Julia Jeapes saw leaning up against any upstairs window, and help to solve the mystery of what really took place once the raid team got into whf at about 7:30am, on the morning of 7th August 1985?

Police only took away two rifles at the beginning (and later returned the .22 air rifle before handing the keys to whf over to Ann Eaton on evening of 9th August 1985)...

The relatives only took away one rifle (the aforementioned .22 air rifle returned by the police to the scene on 9th August 1985).

Where is the third rifle, who owned it, what happened to it, why are the police and the relatives being so secretive over its identity?

[susan]

Hi Grahame  I read he kept a shotgun under his bed not because of foxes but he had been threatened by some guy for sending his son to prison whilst acting as a Magistrate.

[mike tesko]

What the occupants of CA07 heard to cause them to relay messages to the scene, is important yet police refuse to disclose what was actually said by whom, how it was interpreted by CA07 to mean what they said to the control room?

Why are they being so secretive and evasive about such a significant part of the case?

[bloggs and son]

I have read that too Grahame, from off here...how true it is, I don't know....You want to see what I keep under the bed....Ha! 

What you do in your spare time is no business of mine?

[tonyb]

What the occupants of CA07 heard to cause them to relay messages to the scene, is important yet police refuse to disclose what was actually said by whom, how it was interpreted by CA07 to mean what they said to the control room?

Why are they being so secretive and evasive about such a significant part of the case?

It can't be proved that jeapes actually saw a rifle

[mike tesko]

It can't be proved that Jeremy Bamber killed anyone. He was convicted by a kangaroo court with witnesses that were prepared to lie to save their own backsides...

[tonyb]

It can't be proved that Jeremy Bamber killed anyone. He was convicted by a kangaroo court with witnesses that were prepared to lie to save their own backsides...

It is immaterial you think JB did nt kill anyone. His innocence has to be proved.this is what you and me differ on. You have the proof that will free JB yet you choose not to utilise it..... Beats me why not mike?