no explanation given for Sheila's body being in locations at 7.37, 9.05 and 10am

[mike tesko]

She was positioned near to white / red corner from where she could see both white and red sides. The box room is on white side, in a part of the building which is also grey brick, just as she described. It's impossible to tell where Moule was from her description, but I imagine he was somewhere to the west of her.

None of the statements describe the light in the box room as being on, and light from the landing can't get in that room. I don't see how she could have seen a gun, let alone identify it as a rifle.

Well, according to the CCRC the witness statements of police officers are more powerful and significant than crime scene photographs, so is it your case that WPC Jeapes does not mention that she saw a rifle leaning up against the main bedroom window, or the box room window? Do you think that she just made it up? Of course she would have easily been able to see any weapon, be it a rifle or a shotgun, leaning up against any of the two window's by use of the scope fitted to her firearm, do you not agree? Otherwise, what was the purpose of her taking up a containment position so dangerously close to the action?  Of course she saw a rifle leaning up against one or other window, it was not a shotgun that she saw that is for certain, otherwise she would have described it as such...

For some reason, Essex police and the DPP did not want this evidence to be disclosed to Bamber, or his legal team, and they did not want the jury to learn anything at all about its existence at whichever window it was leaning up against...

So, they concealed information relating to it, which did not surface for about 19 years...

[Bridget]

Well, according to the CCRC the witness statements of police officers are more powerful and significant than crime scene photographs, so is it your case that WPC Jeapes does not mention that she saw a rifle leaning up against the main bedroom window, or the box room window? Do you think that she just made it up? Of course she would have easily been able to see any weapon, be it a rifle or a shotgun, leaning up against any of the two window's by use of the scope fitted to her firearm, do you not agree? Otherwise, what was the purpose of her taking up a containment position so dangerously close to the action?  Of course she saw a rifle leaning up against one or other window, it was not a shotgun that she saw that is for certain, otherwise she would have described it as such...

For some reason, Essex police and the DPP did not want this evidence to be disclosed to Bamber, or his legal team, and they did not want the jury to learn anything at all about its existence at whichever window it was leaning up against...

So, they concealed information relating to it, which did not surface for about 19 years...

I think it's clear that she thinks she saw a rifle at the box room window. I think she's mistaken, but I'd probably run with it if I were you / JB.

[mike tesko]

I dunno, over to you ...

Well, I believe a strong enough case has already been made out for Bamber being innocent (and framed for these murders by the police / relatives) if the rifle which WPC Jeapes saw to be leaning up against the main bedroom window, since as I have already indicated and pointed out, if the rifle in question was the one which was later planted onto Sheila's body when the police moved her body from the bed to the bedroom floor, Jeremy could not have killed Sheila and stage managed her body with the rifle atop her body on the floor to try to make it look like Sheila had taken her own life, after killing the others. If the rifle in  question was leaning up against the main bedroom window before the raid team set foot into the house, do you not, or would you not tend to agree that Jeremy could not have stage managed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, as alleged, and that the police must be and are responsible for doing that which they have allowed Jeremy to take the wrap for?

Yes, or no?

You see, if you are correct and the rifle in question was actually leaning up against the box window, it either serves to identify an additional rifle that was found at the scene, which for one reason or another police and the DPP do not want anyone to find out about, or as the case may be, it was the very rifle which later ended up atop Sheila's body when PC Bird started to take photographs showing Sheila's body on the bedroom floor with that rifle atop her body - now which way do you want to play it? Was it an additional rifle, or the same one which was used by police to stage manage Sheila's body in the bedroom?

Imagine, for one moment, if it was the actual rifle which was later photographed atop Sheila's body, imagine what this evidence would mean? In many ways it would be just as powerful as if the rifle in question had been leaning up again st the main bedroom window, before police got into the premises, and if true then somebody had to take hold or control of it and either use it, or plant it atop Sheila's stage managed body after police entered the premises at about 7:30am...

Do you not agree?

[Bridget]

Well, I believe a strong enough case has already been made out for Bamber being innocent (and framed for these murders by the police / relatives) if the rifle which WPC Jeapes saw to be leaning up against the main bedroom window, since as I have already indicated and pointed out, if the rifle in question was the one which was later planted onto Sheila's body when the police moved her body from the bed to the bedroom floor, Jeremy could not have killed Sheila and stage managed her body with the rifle atop her body on the floor to try to make it look like Sheila had taken her own life, after killing the others. If the rifle in  question was leaning up against the main bedroom window before the raid team set foot into the house, do you not, or would you not tend to agree that Jeremy could not have stage managed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, as alleged, and that the police must be and are responsible for doing that which they have allowed Jeremy to take the wrap for?

Yes, or no?

You see, if you are correct and the rifle in question was actually leaning up against the box window, it either serves to identify an additional rifle that was found at the scene, which for one reason or another police and the DPP do not want anyone to find out about, or as the case may be, it was the very rifle which later ended up atop Sheila's body when PC Bird started to take photographs showing Sheila's body on the bedroom floor with that rifle atop her body - now which way do you want to pl;ay it? Was it an additional rifle, or the same one which was used by police to stage manage Sheila's body in the bedroom?

Imagine, for one moment, if it was the actual rifle which was later photographed atop Sheila's body, imagine what this evidence would mean? In many ways it would be just as powerful as if the rifle in question had been leaning up again st the main bedroom window, before police got into the premises, and if true then somebody had to take hold or control of it and either use it, or plant it atop Sheila's stage managed body after police entered the premises at about 7:30am...

Do you not agree?

I agree, if there was a rifle by the window at all. That is your weak point, no one else reports seeing it, and also, I'm puzzled as to why Jeapes didn't make more of a song and dance over it at the time, if she did indeed see it.

[Roch]

I agree, if there was a rifle by the window at all. That is your weak point, no one else reports seeing it, and also, I'm puzzled as to why Jeapes didn't make more of a song and dance over it at the time, if she did indeed see it.

Two officers reported seeing it, I think.

[mike tesko]

I think it's clear that she thinks she saw a rifle at the box room window. I think she's mistaken, but I'd probably run with it if I were you / JB.

OK, let me put it this way then - You say she made a mistake, and if that be true I would suggest that the mistake she made was spotting that rifle leaning against whichever window she saw it to be leaning against. That is the only mistake she made, and I have no doubt that Essex police and the DPP wished she had not made such a significant mistake which was /is capable of blowing this case wide open for all the reasons given. I have no doubt at all that they all wished she had not seen that rifle leaning against whichever window, and that she had not made a witness statement saying what she had seen?

It's a racing certainty that she did see such a rifle, leaning up against one of the upstairs windows, and if this evidence had been disclosed to the defence it would have created complete chaos during the trial, and ended up with the case being withdrawn from the jury, providing of course all the other material which the police deliberately concealed from the court had also been disclosed...

[mike tesko]

I agree, if there was a rifle by the window at all. That is your weak point, no one else reports seeing it, and also, I'm puzzled as to why Jeapes didn't make more of a song and dance over it at the time, if she did indeed see it.

It's not so puzzling to me, since did you know that the COLP inquiry did not even interview or question her about the contents of this statement, in 1991/92? She has so far not yet been quizzed over it, by anyone and we are some 27 years down the line...

Why do you think that is, then?

Why do you think they don't want anything at all to do with the sighting of this rifle being spotted leaning against whichever window it was actually leaning up against? They don't want to look into it because it would expose the prosecutions case as a very serious miscarriage of justice. At some stage though, she will be questioned about this matter even if it takes another internal police investigation...

[maggie]

Bridget  I should think WPc Jeapes was highly experienced and could recognise a gun of any kind quite easily.

[Bridget]

Bridget  I should think WPc Jeapes was highly experienced and could recognise a gun of any kind quite easily.

Maybe so, if she could see it clearly, which she couldn't have.

Mike, I'll return to your points in the morning if I may, I'm out at the mo

[maggie]

Maybe so, if she could see it clearly, which she couldn't have.

Mike, I'll return to your points in the morning if I may, I'm out at the mo

Surely she could see it through her gun sights. Im sure she could see it very clearly.

[bloggs and son]

This deception allowed the prosecution during the trial, to fool the jury into thinking and accepting that Jeremy stage managed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor, with a rifle atop her body, which some 15 minutes before the raid team forced entry into the premises, was spotted by a firearms instructor (WPC Julia Jeapes) to be leaning up against the bedroom window...

How did Sheila's body get from the kitchen downstairs, to it being upstairs on the bed, and finally how and under what circumstances did her body end up on the bedroom floor? More importantly, how did the rifle which was leaning against the bedroom window at around 7.15am, end up atop Sheila's body by 10am?

Whatever Julia Jeapes saw in the window one of the soc pictures depicts a rifle leaning against the window. The question is, was this rifle the one that was on/next to Sheila's body? Or was there another rifle at the soc that day? If so, then it must be satisfactorily explained which rifle that was. It has not been.

[Bridget]

Two officers reported seeing it, I think.

Who else saw it?

[Bridget]

It's not so puzzling to me, since did you know that the COLP inquiry did not even interview or question her about the contents of this statement, in 1991/92? She has so far not yet been quizzed over it, by anyone and we are some 27 years down the line...

Why do you think that is, then?

Why do you think they don't want anything at all to do with the sighting of this rifle being spotted leaning against whichever window it was actually leaning up against? They don't want to look into it because it would expose the prosecutions case as a very serious miscarriage of justice. At some stage though, she will be questioned about this matter even if it takes another internal police investigation...

What I'm asking myself is why JB hasn't made more of Jeapes statement. If I had to guess I'd say that there is some other statement, possibly from Jeapes which either explains it of retracts it.

I've seen it suggested before that the raid team statements were edited to fit the story, if that's the case, why wasn't this one?

[NewChilledOutHartley]

Whatever Julia Jeapes saw in the window one of the soc pictures depicts a rifle leaning against the window. The question is, was this rifle the one that was on/next to Sheila's body? Or was there another rifle at the soc that day? If so, then it must be satisfactorily explained which rifle that was. It has not been.

If it was what she saw, then the rifle must have been in a different position, as it would not be visible from outside in the position shown in the photograph of it leaning against the master bedroom window reveal.

[Bridget]

Surely she could see it through her gun sights. Im sure she could see it very clearly.

If it was placed with the butt on the floor which would seem to be the natural thing to do, there would only be a few inches of the barrel visible. Now add the fact that she was looking from the ground and from a position to the south east of the window, and I don't think much of it would be visible at all. The same applies if it was in the main bedroom window.