Post Mortem

[Bridget]

You "believe"? Does that mean it is only your theory? Oh well no need to counter that one then. Just tack it on the end of my long list of the guilty camp wild theories.

Well I wasn't there was I - were you?

[Patti]

I still don't see it Patti, he wouldn't have to use the sights, the end of the gun sticking into Sheila's neck would have been no more than two or three foot from his face. Are we talking at cross purposes?


Put it this way....Stand up and imagine a 49inch gun under your chin.....You would have to hold the gun position it and shoot it...no need for sights, use the eye.....either way you have to be nearer the ground, given Sheila was only small....

[bloggs and son]

Well I wasn't there was I - were you?

That's my whole argument actually. I see all these theories spoken as if they are fact and with total confidence that I wonder why they are always taking the mick out of.......erm......Mike?
But if you were to disclose documents to back up your theories? Now that is quite a different matter.

[Bridget]

I still don't see it Patti, he wouldn't have to use the sights, the end of the gun sticking into Sheila's neck would have been no more than two or three foot from his face. Are we talking at cross purposes?


Put it this way....Stand up and imagine a 49inch gun under your chin.....You would have to hold the gun position it and shoot it...no need for sights, use the eye.....either way you have to be nearer the ground, given Sheila was only small....

Remember that she would probably have leaned back slightly, I see no problem with doing that standing up.

[Roch]

Again, Egan was not commenting on the results of the LD test, all he was saying is that JBs apparent demeanour is not a facade. Why don't you try emailing him and ask what he thinks about LD test if it concerns you?

What he said was this:

“These findings suggest it is hard to sustain the view that Jeremy Bamber is so expert in deceptive self-presentation as to maintain this front for over a variety of different assessors, different assessment instruments and different times”

Where have I said he was referring specifically to the LD test?  He is referring to a range of assessors, different assessment instruments and different times.  The LD test was a different assessment instrument, carried out by a different assessor, at a different time.

Maggie, I think Bridgets problem is not that all the evidence points to Jeremy. Because none very little of it does.  I think it is just that she thinks he's guilty and refuses to believe he isn't?  It's as simple as that.

I agree.

[Patti]

Remember that she would probably have leaned back slightly, I see no problem with doing that standing up.

Bridget, If asked you to lean back while I shot you, would you comply?

[Bridget]

What he said was this:

Where have I said he was referring specifically to the LD test?  He is referring to a range of assessors, different assessment instruments and different times.  The LD test was a different assessment instrument, carried out by a different assessor, at a different time.

I agree.

The word 'instruments' refers to tests - as I said, if you want to know whether his comments included his opinion re the LD test, ask him.

[Bridget]

Bridget, If asked you to lean back while I shot you, would you comply?

No, but if you were standing in front of me with a gun to my throat I would certainly lean back voluntarily.

[Roch]

The word 'instruments' refers to tests - as I said, if you want to know whether his comments included his opinion re the LD test, ask him.

You're just being pedantic for the sake of it. 

if we take your approach, it is that that he presents a facade of self deception / manipulation, for the purpose of passing LD test / physiological indicators etc... but then reverses the facade for the psychological tests, so that he passes them also? 

Who do you think he is?  Some kind of Professor Moriarty chamelion?

[Bridget]

You're just being pedantic for the sake of it. 

if we take your approach, it is that that he presents a facade of self deception / manipulation, for the purpose of passing LD test / physiological indicators etc... but then reverses the facade for the psychological tests, so that he passes them also? 

Who do you think he is?  Some kind of Professor Moriarty chamelion?

No, I think LD tests are inaccurate

[JackiePreece]

You wouldn't do anything voluntarily if kids were in the house

That would never happen

There would be no reasoning if you were in that position

[Bridget]

You wouldn't do anything voluntarily if kids were in the house

That would never happen

There would be no reasoning if you were in that position

Ok, maybe voluntarily was the wrong word. More like naturally.

[Patti]

No, but if you were standing in front of me with a gun to my throat I would certainly lean back voluntarily.

So then Bridget, you are looking at your attacker, you stand there while he is approaching you with a gun, you can see your mother dead on the floor then you allow that attacker to place that gun under your chin and lean back voluntarily.....

Sorry, but I would have thrown everything I could have, i would have run and fought.....there would be no way I would allow someone to shot me without a fight...

[Bridget]

So then Bridget, you are looking at your attacker, you stand there while he is approaching you with a gun, you can see your mother dead on the floor then you allow that attacker to place that gun under your chin and lean back voluntarily.....

Sorry, but I would have thrown everything I could have, i would have run and fought.....there would be no way I would allow someone to shot me without a fight...

I don't think that's so hard to believe, he had a gun and she was terrified. It's natural to lean back away from danger.

[Patti]

I don't think that's so hard to believe, he had a gun and she was terrified. It's natural to lean back away from danger.

Well of course it is natural  ....She sat on the bed reading a bible while the rest of her family were being shot, then when it came her turn she leaned back and allowed herself to be shot. Right oh!

I think I will join Susan and have a drink!