Post Mortem

[JackiePreece]

His polygraph result aint shutting up for anyone.  Not state.  Not family.  Not guilty camp.

The truth will come out it always does bit by bit, how ever long it takes and thank goodness for the people that keep fighting for what they believe in even though they get
intimidated on a daily basis by bullies and racist thugs

The ccrc have got one hell of a fight on if they think this is going away

[susan]

fair do,s Bridget.  I bet you have never heard that expression before.

[Roch]

Of course we're all entitled to an opinion, mine is that LDs are inaccurate

Yes but you cant say why they are innaccurate or in what context relating to JB they are innaccurate.  Well you can, but it either has to be faulty software or?

If you say self deception or manipulation towards the tester, this is not born out in Dr. Egan's 2011 testing of Bamber... which is a bit awkward when attempting to back up such theories re the lie detector test.

[JackiePreece]

Exactly

[Bridget]

Yes but you cant say why they are innaccurate or in what context relating to JB they are innaccurate.  Well you can, but it either has to be faulty software or?

If you say self deception or manipulation towards the tester, this is not born out in Dr. Egan's 2011 testing of Bamber... which is a bit awkward when attempting to back up such theories re the lie detector test.

In order for a test to be recognised as accurate and therefore be admissible in court it's accuracy must be assessed. LDTs have never been assessed as being sufficiently accurate. They are, as we know used by some organisations as an aid to assist in identifying those claims (or whatever) which might need further investigation, but are not considered conclusive, even by the organisations that use them.

Similarly, the other tests you refer to - I've asked you before, have these been assessed as accurate, and are they recognised as such and admissable?

[Bridget]

fair do,s Bridget.  I bet you have never heard that expression before.

I have, probably on tv

[Roch]

In order for a test to be recognised as accurate and therefore be admissible in court it's accuracy must be assessed. LDTs have never been assessed as being sufficiently accurate. They are, as we know used by some organisations as an aid to assist in identifying those claims (or whatever) which might need further investigation, but are not considered conclusive, even by the organisations that use them.

Similarly, the other tests you refer to - I've asked you before, have these been assessed as accurate, and are they recognised as such and admissable?

Admissible for what?  They are what they are.  Psychological tests administered by a Dr. with a post at Leicester University.  Do you think Bamber has said... Oi! Egan!  Can you get me some duff tests to show that I'm not a nutter?  And while you're at it, can you get a couple of more duff tests to show how I am not manipulative towards you or deceiving my self regarding them murders I done?

http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/psychology/ppl/ve2

[Bridget]

Admissible for what?  They are what they are.  Psychological tests administered by a Dr. with a post at Leicester University.  Do you think Bamber has said... Oi! Egan!  Can you get me some duff tests to show that I'm not a nutter?  And while you're at it, can you get a couple of more duff tests to show how I am not manipulative towards you or deceiving my self regarding them murders I done?

http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/psychology/ppl/ve2

Not to worry, after reading elsewhere I see that he was tested for impression management and self deception enhancement by Egan as a part of a catagory assessment in 2011 was it? IM is whether or not he is manipulating other people's impression of him, and SDE is basically whether or not he is 'bigging himself up' if you like. The tests related to his general demeanour at the time, and were not related to whether or not he had deceived himself over the murders as an explanation for his passing the LD test. More smoke and mirrors IMHO.

[Bridget]

Oh and not that it's relevant, but he was found to be in the low to normal range for those tests, apparently we all do it.

[Roch]

The tests related to his general demeanour at the time, and were not related to whether or not he had deceived himself over the murders as an explanation for his passing the LD test. More smoke and mirrors IMHO.

What, so I'm now part of the defence smoke & mirrors campaign?  It's me that's linked them.  Please show which test should have been administered, in relation to the polygraph, as opposed to the psychological tests, for the purpose of discounting self deception over the murders? 

And has he also deceived him self that the original cops at the scene radio'd in the sighting at the window? 

[Bridget]

What, so I'm now part of the defence smoke & mirrors campaign?  It's me that's linked them.  Please show which test should have been administered, in relation to the polygraph, as opposed to the psychological tests, for the purpose of discounting self deception over the murders? 

And has he also deceived him self that the original cops at the scene radio'd in the sighting at the window? 

If the cap fits...

I think a test done at the same time as the LD test and with specific reference to the Q & As given on the test would have been more convincing.

[Roch]

If the cap fits...

I think a test done at the same time as the LD test and with specific reference to the Q & As given on the test would have been more convincing.

Well Terry Mullins set up the parameters for the LD test.  He, like me and Egan must be fond of getting murderers off the hook.  I never realised there was so many of us.  Maybe I should set up a support group?

[Nuala]

Oi! Egan!  Can you get me some duff tests to show that I'm not a nutter?  And while you're at it, can you get a couple of more duff tests to show how I am not manipulative towards you or deceiving my self regarding them murders I done?

http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/psychology/ppl/ve2

 

Though, coming from Jeremy, I imagine it would be more along the lines of:   I say, Egan, old chap...

[Bridget]

Well Terry Mullins set up the parameters for the LD test.  He, like me and Egan must be fond of getting murderers off the hook.  I never realised there was so many of us.  Maybe I should set up a support group?

As far as I can tell, Egan's only interest was in whether or not it would be safe to downgrade JBs Cat A status, he makes no comment on guilt or innocence. Interesting that unless I haven't found it yet, JB has only publicised 2 of 3 paragraphs of Egan's 14 page report.

[Patti]

I was under the impression that it was Jeremy that had refused to be downgraded from a category A prisoner, due to the fact he still proclaims he is innocent....