you can't fool me - police surgeon, Dr Craig, got it so terribly wrong...

[mike tesko]

Yet to be fully explained by Essex police is what exactly happened inside whf between the finding of the last three bodies upstairs in the bedroom at 8:10am, and the time when SOC took control of the crime scene from 10am, onwards?

Why won't Essex police say what actually took place inside the premises during this one hour and fifty minute period? Polioce should be ciompelled to give a minute by minute account of what took place throughout this entire period, but they have been allowed to get away with having to explain anything which might shed some light on what took place and in particular how Sheila died in the bedroom long after police had got into the premises...

I will start the ball rolling by identify some of the key police officers who knew and were present at the scene when this training exercise got under way, a training exercise which lasted in excess of one hour between 9 and 10am, that morning:-

(1) - DCI George Harris
(2) - DCI Terry Gibbons
(3) - DCI Taff Jones
(4) - DCI Clarke
(5) - PI Bob Miller
(6) - Police surgeon, Dr Craig
(7) - Coroners officicer, PC Wright
(8) - PI Ivor Montgomery
(9) - PS Woodcock
(10) - DI Cook
(11) - PC Bird
(12) - DC Hammersley
(13) - DS Davidson
(14) - PC Clarke

All of the above, knew and know what really took place in side whf and how Sheila was shot for a second time accidentally during the aforementioned training exercise...

[Roch]

Yet to be fully explained by Essex police is what exactly happened inside whf between the finding of the last three bodies upstairs in the bedroom at 8:10am, and the time when SOC took control of the crime scene from 10am, onwards?

Why won't Essex police say what actually took place inside the premises during this one hour and fifty minute period? Polioce should be ciompelled to give a minute by minute account of what took place throughout this entire period, but they have been allowed to get away with having to explain anything which might shed some light on what took place and in particular how Sheila died in the bedroom long after police had got into the premises...

Isn't there an hour missing in at least one of the logs?  Did the the CCRC manage to get hold of the original docs?  It's a real shame if they have not and the docs have not been subjected to ESDA etc.  The FSS have twice issued letter relating to the need for further tests. 

[mike tesko]

Mike,,,that's something you're never likely to find out. !

If your reference is to the fact that Sheila was shot for the second time by police during these training exercises, well I am afraid there is evidence of this in the photographs - Sheila was on the bed with one wound to her neck, and then later photographed on the bedroom floor with two wounds to her neck. The police are going to have to explain how the second shot was inflicted to Sheila's neck long after the police surgeon pronounced her as being dead with a solitary wound to her neck at 8:44am...

[lookout]

" Accidentally ",,Mike.? I'd say that Sheila would have been still fully aware,,,I won't say compus mentus because she wasn't,,,that having pointed that rifle at one of the officers,,,the second shot was " helped along " by way of a " self defence" action,,,if you get my drift. A sort of assisted suicide.? 

[mike tesko]

If your reference is to the fact that Sheila was shot for the second time by police during these training exercises, well I am afraid there is evidence of this in the photographs - Sheila was on the bed with one wound to her neck, and then later photographed on the bedroom floor with two wounds to her neck. The police are going to have to explain how the second shot was inflicted to Sheila's neck long after the police surgeon pronounced her as being dead with a solitary wound to her neck at 8:44am...

Now...

before you all start getting carried away with yourselves let me point out that there is something very different about the lower entry wound, and the upper entry wound, apart from the fact that they were not inflicted together at round about ther same time? For example, there is freash diluted or thinned blood running out from the upper fatal entry wound, as opposed to what appears to be similar blood running from the lower non fatal entry wound, but there is a dried, faded vertical blood stain beneath the lower wound which is absent from the upper entry wound, which sets it apart form the other...

In addition...

blood which flowed from Sheila's left nostril, and stained various parts of her face, confirm that her head was lolled about this way and that, back and forth, at a time when she was not bleeding to any great extent from the upper entry wound site...

Collectively, all these features indicate that Sheila;'s body was moved, not only moved but moved in-between both shots having been fired which would be consistent with her body having been lifted and carried from the bed to the bedroom floor...

[mike tesko]

If your reference is to the fact that Sheila was shot for the second time by police during these training exercises, well I am afraid there is evidence of this in the photographs - Sheila was on the bed with one wound to her neck, and then later photographed on the bedroom floor with two wounds to her neck. The police are going to have to explain how the second shot was inflicted to Sheila's neck long after the police surgeon pronounced her as being dead with a solitary wound to her neck at 8:44am...

The other problem the police will have to face and deal with, is that nobody is supposed to have taken any pictures until after 10am, when PC Bird (SOC) started to take photographs in keeping with the contents of his forged photographic schedules, so does this mean that Sheila only had one wound to her neck by 10 O'clock, and that she was not shot for a second time until after SOC took control of the scene?

[Bridget]

If your reference is to the fact that Sheila was shot for the second time by police during these training exercises, well I am afraid there is evidence of this in the photographs - Sheila was on the bed with one wound to her neck, and then later photographed on the bedroom floor with two wounds to her neck. The police are going to have to explain how the second shot was inflicted to Sheila's neck long after the police surgeon pronounced her as being dead with a solitary wound to her neck at 8:44am...

The police are never going to have to explain anything unless the photo comes to light.

[Bridget]

Now...

before you all start getting carried away with yourselves let me point out that there is something very different about the lower entry wound, and the upper entry wound, apart from the fact that they were not inflicted together at round about ther same time? For example, there is freash diluted or thinned blood running out from the upper fatal entry wound, as opposed to what appears to be similar blood running from the lower non fatal entry wound, but there is a dried, faded vertical blood stain beneath the lower wound which is absent from the upper entry wound, which sets it apart form the other...

In addition...

blood which flowed from Sheila's left nostril, and stained various parts of her face, confirm that her head was lolled about this way and that, back and forth, at a time when she was not bleeding to any great extent from the upper entry wound site...

Collectively, all these features indicate that Sheila;'s body was moved, not only moved but moved in-between both shots having been fired which would be consistent with her body having been lifted and carried from the bed to the bedroom floor...

How do you explain Vanezis's pathology report in which he states that the wounds were inflicted within seconds of each other?

[mike tesko]

The police are never going to have to explain anything unless the photo comes to light.

Well, one things for sure, at some stage the photograph of Sheila on the bed with a solitary wound to her neck and the accompanying small dried blood trail beneath it, will appear and have to be dealt with. Then what are the police going to say?

[Bridget]

Well, one things for sure, at some stage the photograph of Sheila on the bed with a solitary wound to her neck and the accompanying small dried blood trail beneath it, will appear and have to be dealt with. Then what are the police going to say?

I don't know, are you any nearer to getting the copies off of the hard drives yet?

[mike tesko]

How do you explain Vanezis's pathology report in which he states that the wounds were inflicted within seconds of each other?

The original Venezis autopsy file went missing, he removed a fragmented bullet from the left hand side of Sheila's neck, after X-rays had been taken to show that the bullet in question had become fragmented, yet by the time the matter came before the court at the time of Jeremy's trial, one of Venezis's exhibits, PV/20 which should have been part of a fragmented bullet, had become transformed onto a whole bullet, an exhibit bearing Venezis's identifying mark, and signature. In addition, another pathologist (Professor Knight) called by the defence during the trial at one stage told the court during testimony that there could have been as long as between half an hour to an hour between both shots having been fired. Both pathologists could not be right if what you say Venezis was saying, and in any event it was only his opinion, he couldn't prove the shots were fired close together, he was just speculating...

Have you or anybody else ever wondered why nobody has gone out of their way to try to explain the condition of the blood which was photographed to be running out from the entry wounds and the sides of the mouth?  Here take another look:-

[mike tesko]

I don't know, are you any nearer to getting the copies off of the hard drives yet?

That matter is in hand and being dealt with...

[mike tesko]

Have you or anybody else ever wondered why nobody has gone out of their way to try to explain the condition of the blood which was photographed to be running out from the entry wounds and the sides of the mouth?  Here take another look:-

If the pathologist had been shown this photograph of the condition of the blood which was photographed at 10am as flowing from the wounds and the sides of Sheila's mouth, he would almost certainly have been able to confirm that Sheila had only recently died, and that the reason why the condition of the blood was / is thinned as it is / was, was because she had been taking medication which served to thin out her blood. Now this is important for a number of reasons, but chiefly because none of the blood found inside the silencer was found to have any traces of drugs or any medication amongst it. Now, I don't want to entertain any suggestions that the lab' didn't test for the presence of drugs in the blood from the silencer, or that the lab' didn't know that Sheila had been taking drugs, because I do know that some of the blood which was taken from her body during autopsy was screened for the presence of drugs and that confirmation was obtained to this effect as a result of testing part of the same taken from her body...

The truth is, no drug presence was found in the blood from inside the silencer, and that to me is a significant feature which everyone has missed...

[tonyb]

Well, one things for sure, at some stage the photograph of Sheila on the bed with a solitary wound to her neck and the accompanying small dried blood trail beneath it, will appear and have to be dealt with. Then what are the police going to say?

Mike i just don't understand this;

Well, one things for sure, at some stage the photograph of Sheila on the bed with a solitary wound to her neck and the accompanying small dried blood trail beneath it, will appear and have to be dealt with. Then what are the police going to say?

From this I can only assume the Photo of SC on the bed is the key to unlocking a section of the prosecutions case against JB
Do you agree?

[Bridget]

The original Venezis autopsy file went missing, he removed a fragmented bullet from the left hand side of Sheila's neck, after X-rays had been taken to show that the bullet in question had become fragmented, yet by the time the matter came before the court at the time of Jeremy's trial, one of Venezis's exhibits, PV/20 which should have been part of a fragmented bullet, had become transformed onto a whole bullet, an exhibit bearing Venezis's identifying mark, and signature. In addition, another pathologist (Professor Knight) called by the defence during the trial at one stage told the court during testimony that there could have been as long as between half an hour to an hour between both shots having been fired. Both pathologists could not be right if what you say Venezis was saying, and in any event it was only his opinion, he couldn't prove the shots were fired close together, he was just speculating...

Have you or anybody else ever wondered why nobody has gone out of their way to try to explain the condition of the blood which was photographed to be running out from the entry wounds and the sides of the mouth?  Here take another look:-

Is there a copy of prof Knight's report available? I don't recall seeing that.

Re the blood, what you see as wet blood, i see as a sheen on dry or drying blood, but you and I are looking at photos, so can't really draw a conclusion either way.