you can't fool me - police surgeon, Dr Craig, got it so terribly wrong...

[elphick]

The way I read it, was that he was inferring the informant had held the rank of Police Sergeant.

Thanks Rochford.

[Bridget]

Whatever the rank, it was said that Woodcock shot Sheila. I would still like to see Dr Craig's statements to COLP if anyone could point me towards that, and also, I don't recall ever seeing evidence of this 'training' team. Where does that originate?

[mertol22]

its online somwhere it was a free for all the front door was manned by a police officer and he was not writing down names going in but the back door officer was.

[ajross]

I have read that up to 60 officers went in to do a training exercise but I'm not sure if it was on here, the Bamber page or even wikipedia. It may be quite an old theory I think.

[ngb1066]

I have read that up to 60 officers went in to do a training exercise but I'm not sure if it was on here, the Bamber page or even wikipedia. It may be quite an old theory I think.

Yes, it has been referred to here and it is supported by evidence which came to light long after the trial.  It was something concealed by Essex Police from everyone concerned.

[Bridget]

Yes, it has been referred to here and it is supported by evidence which came to light long after the trial.  It was something concealed by Essex Police from everyone concerned.

Is the evidence on here? I've often wondered where that came from.

[ngb1066]

Is the evidence on here? I've often wondered where that came from.

I will try and find it here.  There is a long list of police officers who had to be eliminated for fingerprint purposes when the case became a 5 murder enquiry and belatedly the house was fingerprinted.  It was revealed later that the scene had been used by the Firearms Support Group for "informatives", i.e. a training exercise.

[Bridget]

I will try and find it here.  There is a long list of police officers who had to be eliminated for fingerprint purposes when the case became a 5 murder enquiry and belatedly the house was fingerprinted.  It was revealed later that the scene had been used by the Firearms Support Group for "informatives", i.e. a training exercise.

Ok, thanks, I do recall something about that but don't think I've ever seen the document that backs it up.

[Roch]

Whatever the rank, it was said that Woodcock shot Sheila. I would still like to see Dr Craig's statements to COLP if anyone could point me towards that, and also, I don't recall ever seeing evidence of this 'training' team. Where does that originate?

My point was that Woodcock was a Police Sergeant    There were others of that rank also mind.

[Bridget]

My point was that Woodcock was a Police Sergeant    There were others of that rank also mind.

I'm clearly being thick...

[mike tesko]

The identities of the firearms team who took part in this training exercise is being avoided at all costs by Essex police, more so what they actually got up to. The training exercise they partook in resulted in a delay of the crime scene being handed over into the control of SOC - which did not officially take place until 10am, that same morning...

One of the problems associated with this training exercise and what the police got up to whilst it was being carried out, was that SOC recorded the scene as it fell to be photographed from 10am onwards, and treated it as though this was how the scene had originally been found by members of the raid team when they first entered the premises at about 7:30am. Yet, in actual fact the scene SOC recorded was the one left by members of the training exercise. There is / was no guarantee that what SOC photographed and recorded from 10am, was the same crime scene found by police when they first entered the building, but it seems more and more likely that what SOC recorded was how the scene was left by the as yet unidentified officers who took part in this training exercise with the bodies of the victims still in stitu...

[mike tesko]

The identities of the firearms team who took part in this training exercise is being avoided at all costs by Essex police, more so what they actually got up to. The training exercise they partook in resulted in a delay of the crime scene being handed over into the control of SOC - which did not officially take place until 10am, that same morning...

One of the problems associated with this training exercise and what the police got up to whilst it was being carried out, was that SOC recorded the scene as it fell to be photographed from 10am onwards, and treated it as though this was how the scene had originally been found by members of the raid team when they first entered the premises at about 7:30am. Yet, in actual fact the scene SOC recorded was the one left by members of the training exercise. There is / was no guarantee that what SOC photographed and recorded from 10am, was the same crime scene found by police when they first entered the building, but it seems more and more likely that what SOC recorded was how the scene was left by the as yet unidentified officers who took part in this training exercise with the bodies of the victims still in stitu...

The role played at the scene by these training officers, led to the stage managing of the crime scene, including the movement of victims bodies which were used as props whilst the training exercises were being conducted - as a result the court was deceived into thinking that SOC photographed the scene as originally found by members of the raid team which entered the farm house at about 7:30am, and the court was deceived into accepting that it was Jeremy who had shot Sheila and stage managed her body in the bedroom, when all along the shooting of Sheila and the stage managing of her body was orchestrated by police who took part in a training exercise with bodies of the victims still in situ...

Essex police should be compelled to identify the officers who took part in these training exercises and it should be spelled out what they got up to...

[mike tesko]

Yet to be fully explained by Essex police is what exactly happened inside whf between the finding of the last three bodies upstairs in the bedroom at 8:10am, and the time when SOC took control of the crime scene from 10am, onwards?

Why won't Essex police say what actually took place inside the premises during this one hour and fifty minute period? Polioce should be ciompelled to give a minute by minute account of what took place throughout this entire period, but they have been allowed to get away with having to explain anything which might shed some light on what took place and in particular how Sheila died in the bedroom long after police had got into the premises...

[lookout]

Which included one of the " officers " using Sheila for target practice.!

[lookout]

Mike,,,that's something you're never likely to find out. !