What Essex police and the Prosecution did not want Bamber to find out about?

[Roch]

The Eatons probably did sell the brass bed!
I actually do agree that this is a shot of the main bedroom.Whilst the Eatons were living there and with a bed they were obviously using before they purchased a four poster.
Im pretty certain that the photo was taken when the police went back in the early 90's to take more samples,therefore I believe that the digital clock,telephone etc belong to the Eatons and were probably sitting on their bedside cabinets and have been placed on the bed because the bedside cabinets have been taken out.

Interesting Tyler.  Surely Mike must know when the photo was taken?  Mike?

[Roch]

I can't recall which phone was where without looking it up again, but the photo on this thread was clearly taken days, weeks or months after the incident, so the phone could have been moved from anywhere, or even be a completely new one.

Possibly, but even taking Tyler's suggestion in to account, I'm not sure why they would want to photograph a new phone in the early 90's or at least, some time after the event.  We need the context of the photo and the date, otherwise we're going round in circles.  Mike should clarify this in my opinion because he has introduced the photo.

I did see your reply but it was beyond me

It was almost beyond my self...

[tyler]

In the aftermath of the murders,EP did not take up the whole of the carpet.They just cut out the worst bits and Ann had a whole carpet put down in its place so as not to distress her mother (Pamela),when she took her into the room.

[Patti]

Was wondering if this is a photograph of the main bedroom from when the Eatons had moved in and EP went back in the early 90's to lift the carpets to take blood samples?
If so,the brass bed has gone! We know that the Eatons kept everything as it was (including bedside lamps)    but they didnt keep the bed.The bed in the photograph has a pink velour headboard? But the Eatons replaced the Bambers bed with a four poster bed.
Could this room in fact be Jeremy's?

Hi Tyler, I like your thinking, I could go with that.  Maybe the family don't sleep in the main bedroom...and the 4 poster bed is in another room...

[tyler]

Hi Tyler, I like your thinking, I could go with that.  Maybe the family don't sleep in the main bedroom...and the 4 poster bed is in another room...

Ann and Peter sleep in the main bedroom.

[Bridget]

Possibly, but even taking Tyler's suggestion in to account, I'm not sure why they would want to photograph a new phone in the early 90's or at least, some time after the event.   We need the context of the photo and the date, otherwise we're going round in circles.  Mike should clarify this in my opinion because he has introduced the photo.

It was almost beyond my self...

The phone doesn't seem to have  been what they wanted to photograph, it just happens to be there. I think Tyler probably has the timing right.

[tyler]

Rochy,this thread does not make sense.
The phone on the bed is not a cordless telephone.
And for Mike to suggest that Sheila moved the phones around undermines the statement from Mr.Pike that he saw the cream dial telephone in the kitchen prior to the murders,does it not?

[Patti]

Ann and Peter sleep in the main bedroom.

I wouldn't be able to sleep there Tyler.  I was reading last night, about the previous two owners of the farm house and both had two unusual suicides......

[Roch]

Rochy,this thread does not make sense.
The phone on the bed is not a cordless telephone.
And for Mike to suggest that Sheila moved the phones around undermines the statement from Mr.Pike that he saw the cream dial telephone in the kitchen prior to the murders,does it not?

It would seem to, yes.  I'm not strong on the phones but that does make sense. 

[Roch]

The phone doesn't seem to have  been what they wanted to photograph, it just happens to be there. I think Tyler probably has the timing right.

Possibly, it's a bit of a mystery to me.  I think woffinden has just thrown a heavy spanner off the back of my head

[Nuala]

I wouldn't like to sleep in the same room, let alone the same bed. It is probably taken from a different angle. Notice the fire is missing as well. What is that dark line just to the left of the bed in the phpto of the murder scene do you think?

Exactly, Grahame, and if the fire is missing then this is not the main bedroom. I think as Mike says it may be Jeremy's room. But, if so, why has carpet been removed from here? As I understand it, there wasn't any blood in Jeremy's room.

[lebaleb]

About the phones:
Telephones 66. There were normally four telephones at White House Farm (although there was only one telephone line). A cream old-fashioned finger-dial telephone kept in the main bedroom (the bedroom telephone), a blue digital telephone in the first floor office (the office telephone), a cream cordless telephone kept in the kitchen but used around and outside the house (the cordless telephone) and a fawn digital telephone also kept in the kitchen (the kitchen telephone). The only telephone with a memory recall feature was the cordless telephone but this had been faulty and was collected for repair on the morning of 5 August 1985.
There seems to be a picture of RB and PB on the shelf.
Photographs must be evidence pics, they don't look like family snaps.
Same walpaper as the main bedroom and the carpet has been removed.
Wish I could make out what is written on the box, it ends in 'SCHUTZ'

[Patti]

From the website re Phones:

Firstly there were usually three phones at White House Farm; a cream dial phone in the master bedroom; a blue digital dial one in the upstairs office; and a cordless phone which was kept in the kitchen. There was also another phone at the Farm that was a ‘fawn’ colour and it also had a digital key pad and it is unclear where this phone was usually kept although it was found in the kitchen under some magazines.

[HMEssex]

The Eatons probably did sell the brass bed!
I actually do agree that this is a shot of the main bedroom.Whilst the Eatons were living there and with a bed they were obviously using before they purchased a four poster.
Im pretty certain that the photo was taken when the police went back in the early 90's to take more samples,therefore I believe that the digital clock,telephone etc belong to the Eatons and were probably sitting on their bedside cabinets and have been placed on the bed because the bedside cabinets have been taken out.

I agree with this too.

Hartley has stated before that the Eatons moved into WHF in 1990.

Don't know if that means the farm was left totally unoccupied for five years though.

[Patti]

About the phones:
Telephones 66. There were normally four telephones at White House Farm (although there was only one telephone line). A cream old-fashioned finger-dial telephone kept in the main bedroom (the bedroom telephone), a blue digital telephone in the first floor office (the office telephone), a cream cordless telephone kept in the kitchen but used around and outside the house (the cordless telephone) and a fawn digital telephone also kept in the kitchen (the kitchen telephone). The only telephone with a memory recall feature was the cordless telephone but this had been faulty and was collected for repair on the morning of 5 August 1985.
There seems to be a picture of RB and PB on the shelf.
Photographs must be evidence pics, they don't look like family snaps.
Same walpaper as the main bedroom and the carpet has been removed.
Wish I could make out what is written on the box, it ends in 'SCHUTZ'

I agree. So the telephone on the bed must be the fawn one?