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Offline Kaldin

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon McDonnell's report
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2011, 06:56:PM »
she wouldn't of leaned the rifle against the window either. in my opinion the photos are staged. I hope a retrial is ordered as it will sort out the mystery and myth and show what a miscarriage of justice has occurred and will show anyone who has helped perpetuate the myth's

You mean the picture of the rifle leaning against the window which is in the papers? That was put there by the police after they removed the rifle from the body to make it safe in my opinion.

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2011, 07:03:PM »
How would another shooter manage to make those hits?

Is there a graphic anywhere to show how the bullets travelled after entering Shelia? Sorry Mike, this is back in your department.

If Shelia was on the floor when she was shot was the shooter laying down on the floor or what?

This was one of the reasons the police thought she had shot herself back then ( so I heard anyway ).

If someone else killed Shelia it seems more likely she would have been laying on the bed - but I don't even see that.

You might find these useful. They are from the report of the pathologist, Peter Venezis.

http://jeremybamber.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=156.0;attach=166;image

http://jeremybamber.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=156.0;attach=168;image

http://jeremybamber.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=156.0;attach=170;image

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon McDonnell's report
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2011, 07:04:PM »
I don't think Sheila moved around after the first shot - not much anyway. She might have fallen back, but I don't think she got up and moved from one room to another.

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon McDonnell's report
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2011, 07:05:PM »
she wouldn't of leaned the rifle against the window either. in my opinion the photos are staged. I hope a retrial is ordered as it will sort out the mystery and myth and show what a miscarriage of justice has occurred and will show anyone who has helped perpetuate the myth's

You mean the picture of the rifle leaning against the window which is in the papers? That was put there by the police after they removed the rifle from the body to make it safe in my opinion.
Who by DC Hammersley ?

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon McDonnell's report
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2011, 07:26:PM »
she wouldn't of leaned the rifle against the window either. in my opinion the photos are staged. I hope a retrial is ordered as it will sort out the mystery and myth and show what a miscarriage of justice has occurred and will show anyone who has helped perpetuate the myth's

You mean the picture of the rifle leaning against the window which is in the papers? That was put there by the police after they removed the rifle from the body to make it safe in my opinion.
Who by DC Hammersley ?

Woodcock maybe. He was present with the SOC team when the gun was moved anyway. 

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon McDonnell's report
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2011, 07:49:PM »
What happened to the reports? Those reports tell a story about the blood stains in the bedroom floor.
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Jeremy asked me to remove them because somebody has misrepresented to him, why the report was posted. It seems there are people out there who are just out to cause mischief. Well, that report was posted to show everyone, that even a top expert, like Professor Herbert Leon, McDonnell was, and is, can be fooled by the police stage managing the scene, and taking a few pictures. According to McDonnell, whoever placed the hand on the gun was responsible for killing Sheila, and he was not to know that it was the police who put Sheila's hand on the gun...

We have heard that DI Cook (SOC) admitted to moving Sheila's hand on the gun because he wanted to photograph bloodied finger marks on the lower part of Sheila's nightdress, as if this in some way justifies the police moving the body and taking pictures, and that the stage managing of the body has some innocent explanation associated with and to it...


Fact is, if you take that approach, you start off by wrongly assuming that the position of Sheila's body before Cook moved the hand onto the gun, was the original position of the body (undisturbed), but we now know that this cannot have been the case. It cannot have been the case, because PS Adams, saw Sheila's body in the bedroom before 9:am, and there was no gun upon it...

Furthermore, at about 9:25am, when the Corners officer, PC Wright visited the same bedroom, he also states that at that time there was no gun upon the body...

So, we have Cook (SOC) arriving at the scene at 9:20am, and he and his officers do not taken control and possession of the scene until 10 O'clock...

Cook then chooses to move the hand so that he can take pictures of the bloodied finger-marks on the front lower side of the nightdress, but there would have been no need for him to move Sheila's hand to see these, if someone had not planted the rifle back onto Sheila's body before SOC took control of the scene at 10 O"clock. The police planted the gun back onto Sheila's body, and they also placed her hand back onto the gun, before the first pictures were taken at the scene from 10 O'clock onwards...

Cook's action does not serve to give an adequate explanation for why Sheila' body was stage managed - you cannot justify the stage managing as shown in the pictures which have been made available, simply by saying Cook admitted to moving Sheila's arm, and the gun, or both...

Cooks actions, further compound the stage managing or the body with the gun, that took place from an earlier time at the scene...

The two images which show Sheila's arm and hand in different positions upon the gun, confirm the latter stages of the stage managing, at two important junctures, spoken about...


PS Adams and PC Wright, both saw Sheila's body without the gun upon it, before SOC took control and possession of the crime scene, at which point PC Bird (SOC) started to take pictures - none of these pictures show the true position that Sheila's body could have been in when originally found in the bedroom, whether or not it was found there or if it ended up there at some point after 8:10am...

Back to McDonnells report - if an expert like him can be fooled by the stage managing antics of the police, what chance did the poor unsuspecting Jurors ever have of working it out in their own minds...

The jury were conned by the police, in the same way that Professor McDonnell was fooled and conned by the police activities...







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Re: Professor Herbert Leon McDonnell's report
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2011, 07:58:PM »
the rifle  Here ,there, everywhere and anywhere it seems. I'm sure time will tell
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Re: Professor Herbert Leon McDonnell's report
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2011, 08:04:PM »
So where was the gun then? If Sheila killed herself it must have been very near the body, unless it walked off on its own.

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon McDonnell's report
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2011, 08:06:PM »
So where was the gun then? If Sheila killed herself it must have been very near the body, unless it walked off on its own.
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Well, at about 7:15am, it was leaning up against the bedroom window, as verified by WPC Julia Jeapes...
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2011, 08:10:PM »
Adams did not say that the gun wasn't on the body, and Wright said it wasn't there when he saw the body but we don't know what time that was.

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon McDonnell's report
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2011, 08:10:PM »
So where was the gun then? If Sheila killed herself it must have been very near the body, unless it walked off on its own.
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Well, at about 7:15am, it was leaning up against the bedroom window, as verified by WPC Julia Jeapes...

When the police came into the bedroom I mean. Where was the gun? If she shot herself it must have been on or near her body.

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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2011, 08:12:PM »
So where was the gun then? If Sheila killed herself it must have been very near the body, unless it walked off on its own.
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Well, at about 7:15am, it was leaning up against the bedroom window, as verified by WPC Julia Jeapes...

This has long puzzled me. If we think of the enormous conspiracy and file tampering that EP are accused of, I can't think why they let this one through the net.

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon McDonnell's report
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2011, 08:17:PM »
Adams did not say that the gun wasn't on the body, and Wright said it wasn't there when he saw the body but we don't know what time that was.
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PS Adams was an experienced firearms officer, and if he says he has no recollection of a gun being on Sheila's body when he viewed it in the bedroom, before he left the scene, then I think that is clear enough for me...

PC Wright does say that there was no gun upon the body when he first viewed Sheila upon entry to the farmhouse, which was before 9:25am...

Again, that is good enough for me...
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Re: Professor Herbert Leon McDonnell's report
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2011, 08:21:PM »
Adams did not say that the gun wasn't on the body, and Wright said it wasn't there when he saw the body but we don't know what time that was.
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PS Adams was an experienced firearms officer, and if he says he has no recollection of a gun being on Sheila's body when he viewed it in the bedroom, before he left the scene, then I think that is clear enough for me...

PC Wright does say that there was no gun upon the body when he first viewed Sheila upon entry to the farmhouse, which was before 9:25am...

Again, that is good enough for me...

He didn't say that - he said he had no recollection of the gun. That could mean something different - ie, that he couldn't remember where it was. He was trying to remember five years later!

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Re: Professor Herbert Leon McDonnell's report
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2011, 08:22:PM »
I think the gun was there on Sheila's body when the police went into the bedroom and found her.