How I Iost the photo` of Sheila on the Bed...

[lonny]

lookout, if rigour mortise had set if for 4 to 5 hours, would her arm be so flexible to have moved it?

We need a mortuary worker on this thread

[Patti]

We need a mortuary worker on this thread

lonny it also begs another question that might not have been asked at the original trial....Was her arm easy to move? If it was, then surely this in its self, means she had not been dead for 4 to 5 hours.

[Bridget]

You really must sto calling him 'loony', it might catch on!

[Patti]

You really must sto calling him 'loony', it might catch on!

Hahahah Bridget....Where did I do that...schhhhhhhhhh! lol

[lookout]

 Patti,,,,after 4 or 5 hours after a person's death,,,,,the moving of limbs would prove far more difficult,,,as opposed to while there was
a modicum of warmth left within the body.  Besides that,,,the body,,,internal organs will have begun to break down ( decomposition ),,,and certain chemical
changes in the body would have taken place. This is why bodies are usually removed within the hour of death and taken to a mortuary within their
refrigeration department. 

[lookout]

You'd have had the flies in if she'd lain there for hours,to say nothing of a slight pong.

[grahameb]

We need a mortuary worker on this thread

We do. It is Mertol.

[grahameb]

Patti,,,,after 4 or 5 hours after a person's death,,,,,the moving of limbs would prove far more difficult,,,as opposed to while there was
a modicum of warmth left within the body.  Besides that,,,the body,,,internal organs will have begun to break down ( decomposition ),,,and certain chemical
changes in the body would have taken place. This is why bodies are usually removed within the hour of death and taken to a mortuary within their
refrigeration department.

Except of course when the victim  has been dead for 24 hours or so. A police photographer I knew (he died the other day actually) said that sometimes the bodies wrre green when they found them.
After a time the muscles do relax though.
Sheila's body didn't appear to be in rigor though. If she was then police would not have been able to move her arm, let alone her whole body as some suppose.

[lookout]

Patti,it is also known that the greater amount of physical exertion before death,the sooner rigor mortis
sets in,so with all that running about up and downstairs,adrenaline pumping round her body,chances are that it
wouldn't have taken that long for her to become much " stiffer " than the norm. As after the normal 12 hour period of the
complete rigor mortis,in Sheila's case,it would have been sooner.
It's these medicolegal implications that are used to assess the time of death.

[Patti]

Patti,it is also known that the greater amount of physical exertion before death,the sooner rigor mortis
sets in,so with all that running about up and downstairs,adrenaline pumping round her body,chances are that it
wouldn't have taken that long for her to become much " stiffer " than the norm. As after the normal 12 hour period of the
complete rigor mortis,in Sheila's case,it would have been sooner.
It's these medicolegal implications that are used to assess the time of death.

[Patti]

So Cook moved her arm, but I don't think he was asked if it was stiff or not? I think it would have been difficult to have moved her arm if rigour mortise had set in for 4 maybe 5 hours...

[grahameb]

So Cook moved her arm, but I don't think he was asked if it was stiff or not? I think it would have been difficult to have moved her arm if rigour mortise had set in for 4 maybe 5 hours...

Rigor tends to set in after around 2 hours someone said. The cops broke in at around 8am. So do a bit of arithmatic and waddaya left with?

[Patti]

Coook arrived at 9:30

The arm was moved prior to making the gun safe.....

[grahameb]

Coook arrived at 9:30

The arm was moved prior to making the gun safe.....

Well that means that she died very late and near to when the cops moved in? That is if there was no rigor mortice?

[Patti]

I'm just reading the report and Cook says the only time the gun was moved, is when it was taken off the body, made safe and leaned it at the window.

He goes on the say that this was done after PC Bird had finished his photographing; then Bird continued to take photo's outside the bedroom....

G, this can't be true, because we have pictures in the archives that show the gun in two positions...

Someone it telling porkies....