Bamber guilty, surely!

[Patti]

Campion, you would think that all these documents would have to be released if a case was subjected to an appeal. By not releasing them, they hinder a man's freedom and fight for justice; which is a human right, seen as he has pleaded not guilty for 26 years.....

The more they hang back the more the press will have a field day....when the time comes....

[mike tesko]

Forgive me Mike but I don't quite follow.  Are you saying that the panic button was activated or not? If not, are you suggesting that the reason Ralph chose to telephone the police, instead of using the button was because he didn't appreciate the true danger he was in?

Ralph Bamber and his family were under the supervision and protection of the police at the time of the shootings...

 

[susan]

Hi Patti  When you think of the flimsy evidence against Jeremy most of it found by his lovely relatives who had a field day after he was convicted Justice was not done an innocent man has spent all his young years in Prison for a crime he did not commit.  I rest my case.

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Ralph Bamber and his family were under the supervision and protection of the police at the time of the shootings...

Which says a lot about police protection.

[susan]

Mike I suspect this is why he phoned the local Police and not dialled 999 as quite a few have said he should have done.

[Patti]

Hi Patti  When you think of the flimsy evidence against Jeremy most of it found by his lovely relatives who had a field day after he was convicted Justice was not done an innocent man has spent all his young years in Prison for a crime he did not commit.  I rest my case.

I agree Susan.....But I would hate to think he did do it and he is using the police's incompetent mistakes
as a tool to get free.....this i feel we have to be careful of.....even though 99% of me thinks he is innocent....and did not have a clue to what was happening around him...

I don't think he had a fair trial and, I do believe evidence was held back, his team have proved that....and, I am inclined to believe that his extended family fabricated an additional story, that helped put him away.....

I also believe that Julie was a devious woman and had arranged her fee via a solicitor prior the verdict...then buggered of to Canada out of the way.....

lol......I need a coffee...

 

[sika]

Hi Patti  When you think of the flimsy evidence against Jeremy most of it found by his lovely relatives who had a field day after he was convicted Justice was not done an innocent man has spent all his young years in Prison for a crime he did not commit.  I rest my case.

I can't help but feel a little uneasy when I see the extended family taking a kicking on here.  I'm quite sure that, just like you and me, they do have feelings.  It's just too convenient to imagine that they are cold and calculating.  Not everyone is motivated by greed and money.  What makes everyone think that these people are?  And no I am not related!

[susan]

Hi Patti  My honest feeling is the murders were carried out by a very disturbed person who had strong religious views (still think the 3,s mean something and the burning of Neville,s back was significant.) When you read and see what had gone on it had to be a poor deranged soul who carried out these murders.  If Jeremy had carried out the murders why implicate himself with phone calls why not just go to bed and await the news.

Also if the Police knew Jeremy was guilty they would not have destroyed evidence  but what they presented at the trial really did not give the Jury much to go on but at least two of them got it right.

[susan]

Mr Sika  We all have our opinions and I think they had no warm feelings to either Sheila or Jeremy and that is why they always called them Cuckoo,s because they were adopted which is very cruel in itself.  They saw an opportunity to implicate Jeremy and they did just that weeks after the murders.  He was too trusting giving them keys to the Farm they inheritted everything and she still did tours around the house for crime writers etc I suspect for a fee.  I am a very Christian person but can feel no compassion to his extended family but I do wonder how they sleep at night this is of course my own feelings and I can understand other people not agreeing with me. Hope the way I feel does not cause offence.

[sika]

Mr Sika  We all have our opinions and I think they had no warm feelings to either Sheila or Jeremy and that is why they always called them Cuckoo,s because they were adopted which is very cruel in itself.  They saw an opportunity to implicate Jeremy and they did just that weeks after the murders.  He was too trusting giving them keys to the Farm they inheritted everything and she still did tours around the house for crime writers etc I suspect for a fee.  I am a very Christian person but can feel no compassion to his extended family but I do wonder how they sleep at night this is of course my own feelings and I can understand other people not agreeing with me. Hope the way I feel does not cause offence.

Hi Susan, No you certainly don't offend me, I fully respect your decision.  I don't necessarily even disagree with you.  You make some very interesting points especially regarding the farmhouse tours, but are you totally certain about these 'facts'? 

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Mike I suspect this is why he phoned the local Police and not dialled 999 as quite a few have said he should have done.

I never thought of that. Yes indeed, the rules change if that was so. But then again why didn't he phone his liaison officer instead of the local nick?

[G]

I can't help but feel a little uneasy when I see the extended family taking a kicking on here.  I'm quite sure that, just like you and me, they do have feelings.  It's just too convenient to imagine that they are cold and calculating.  Not everyone is motivated by greed and money.  What makes everyone think that these people are?  And no I am not related!

There are rules on the forum concerning the family and views are respected. But if these views turn towards verbal abuse I feel sure that admin will take steps to stop it. I think we ought to steer clear of speaking too harshly about the family. And I do believe the same rules apply to JB himself? The reason being than none of us I suspect know any of them personally and therefore cannot offer to remove the speck that may be in their eyes?

[mike tesko]

Mike I suspect this is why he phoned the local Police and not dialled 999 as quite a few have said he should have done.

Since, in the mid 1980's I was a target criminal, subjected to surveillance techniques under development by the No.3 Regional Crime squad, including 'Ring Surveillance' used in later years to track the likes of Michael Sams, and others, as well as being a victim of telephone intercepts and all manner of surveillance tactics and devices (including the use of tracking devices which the police attached to the underside of vehicles I had access to), I am somewhat unsure, to be honest if it would be possible to dial 999 from whf, because of the panic alarm fitted at the farmhouse, linked directly into the 999 emergency system - I do not know enough to say that because the panic alarm was fitted and in use, it would not have been possible, or it would have been possible to make a 999 emergency call from the scene, because that particular line was set to work with the panic alarm...

I would be interested to learn what others views are regarding this technicality?

[mike tesko]

Ralph Bamber and his family were under the supervision and protection of the police at the time of the shootings...

Also so was Jeremy, who lived at his cottage, 9 Head Street, Goldhanger...

[campion]

Patti, re post 56. I have never seen the second part of that note before. The top part of has " please with a three under it, it is possible to identify other letters in the rest but some of the symbols could be Arabic and as I don't come from an oil well dynasty I haven't a clue as to what they mean. For checking in out magnify at 200, lay the laptop screen flat and look at it with the keyboard at the top. I am rubbish at explaining things but if you give it a try you'll know what I mean (Eventually)