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Offline Adam

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« Reply #195 on: February 21, 2015, 12:45:PM »
So Mike and Grahame are wrong calling them Robert Boutflour's diaries ?
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #196 on: February 21, 2015, 12:48:PM »
it depends which way you look at them - and you are avoiding questions as usual.

to me it is the diary of a homophobic person who was determined to get his man because he did not think he belonged in the family - and wanted him cut out of the inheritance from Granny speakman whether found guilty or innocent. He made it clear the fact that he was adopted was relevant and none of the conversations are verified by third persons.He was not prepared to listen to experienced officers and went further up the line until he got what he wanted .Strange his wife kept well out of all this.


Jan, leaving aside Jeremy's guilt or innocence, I entirely and absolutely concur with what you say. It WASN'T a diary. It was an excuse to pour out all the rage, envy and hatred he'd felt for Jeremy since Jeremy's infancy. I read through, very carefully, what purports to be a diary and it reminded me of the style in which Ann wrote of Sheila, which contained the same envy and resentment, both father and daughter putting HUGE emphasis on FAMILY money to which they seemed to believe neither child was entitled. It compounds my belief that Neither Jeremy nor Sheila were seen as a welcome addition to the family by anyone but Nevill, June and, possibly, Pam. 

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Re: Diary Entries of a Conspirator...
« Reply #197 on: February 21, 2015, 12:49:PM »
Do YOU know what a diary is Adam ? The definition ??

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« Reply #198 on: February 21, 2015, 12:49:PM »
Why are we running two threads on this subject? I just linked to this thread in order to discuss them in the light of the influence they had or had not in bringing Bamber to trial.

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« Reply #199 on: February 21, 2015, 01:01:PM »
Why are we running two threads on this subject? I just linked to this thread in order to discuss them in the light of the influence they had or had not in bringing Bamber to trial.

My fault. I clicked on you're link and started posting on it.

RB diaries really are a treasure trove.

Sadly other posters are now saying RB was homophobic, would not accept Jeremy because he was adopted, and it was not really a diary at all.
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« Reply #200 on: February 21, 2015, 01:05:PM »
My fault. I clicked on you're link and started posting on it.

RB diaries really are a treasure trove.

Sadly other posters are now saying RB was homophobic, would not accept Jeremy because he was adopted, and it was not really a diary at all.


That's exactly so. A diary records one's own day to day events. It doesn't usually record events which occurred during someone else's childhood but by so doing, it records VERY well what the author felt for that person.

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« Reply #201 on: February 21, 2015, 01:06:PM »
My fault. I clicked on you're link and started posting on it.

RB diaries really are a treasure trove.

Sadly other posters are now saying RB was homophobic, would not accept Jeremy because he was adopted, and it was not really a diary at all.
Yes he was homophobic. Quite a lot of people were in the 80's. Homosexuality remember had not long been de-criminalised by law and to many people was still looked upon with disgust.

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« Reply #202 on: February 21, 2015, 01:07:PM »

That's exactly so. A diary records one's own day to day events. It doesn't usually record events which occurred during someone else's childhood but by so doing, it records VERY well what the author felt for that person.
That's what I said.

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« Reply #203 on: February 21, 2015, 01:08:PM »
Me too. ::)

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« Reply #204 on: February 21, 2015, 01:15:PM »
11th August RB tries to construct how events occurred on the massacre night. Which all started at boarding school. Jeremy building up a hatred by being adopted,  packed off to boarding school and called a bastard by pupils.

Mary Mugford backs this up by saying Bamber never forgave June for sending him to boarding school.

But I appreciate people now have to now attempt to  discredit RB's diaries. It says a mountain of very damaging things, which back up other information.
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'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #205 on: February 21, 2015, 01:20:PM »
11th August RB tries to construct how events occurred on the massacre night. Which all started at boarding school. Jeremy building up a hatred by being adopted,  packed off to boarding school and called a bastard by pupils.

Mary Mugford backs this up by saying Bamber never forgave June for sending him to boarding school.

But I appreciate people now have to now attempt to  discredit RB's diaries. It says a mountain of very damaging things, which back up other information.


It says EXPLICITLY what are RWB's personal feelings for Jeremy.

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« Reply #206 on: February 21, 2015, 01:24:PM »

It says EXPLICITLY what are RWB's personal feelings for Jeremy.

That's what diaries are for. To express feelings.
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« Reply #207 on: February 21, 2015, 01:30:PM »
That's what diaries are for. To express feelings.



About one's OWN life, NOT another person's.

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Re: Diary Entries of a Conspirator...
« Reply #208 on: February 21, 2015, 01:34:PM »
That's what diaries are for. To express feelings.





Yeah-------------from year to year !!   

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Re: Diary Entries of a Conspirator...
« Reply #209 on: February 21, 2015, 01:35:PM »
JM wrote her accounts in January ?? The tragedy was in August.