Diary Entries of a Conspirator...

[Patti]

Please see post 175.

All you can do is claim RB's diaries are lies. But have no proof
 
Most of what he said can be checked. He mentions another person when saying about Jeremy making Neville cry. Anyway other people have said they had a poor relationship.

RB had no proof when he wrote his diary.....this was all pre trial.

[Adam]

Perhaps it already has but JB is making sure it is presented in the correct and legal way . this forum wont be the place you will hear it first .

As Scipio said, this forum is mainly discussing the evidence and witnesses that convicted Jeremy.

Claims that the evidence is wrong, either in error or on purpose and that witnesses lied, have no merit. As there is no proof of this.

[Jan]

As Scipio said, this forum is mainly discussing the evidence and witnesses that convicted Jeremy.

Claims that the evidence is wrong, either in error or on purpose and that witnesses lied, have no merit. As there is no proof of this.

there are some lies that can be proven in some witness statements .

If someone changes their statements then one is a lie unless there is a genuine reason for doing so.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5645.msg248829.html#msg248829

Jeremy's WS doesn't do him any favours.

We now have the radical time changes to fit in with Neville's call.

[Adam]

There were at least 20 damaging points in RB's diaries.

People cannot say he didn't say them. It's in his diaries, kindly put up by other posters.

Similar to Julies diaries, perhaps the most damaging thing is that there is no reason to lie in his own diaries. It will not be used at trial and RB would not envisage it would be made available to the world decades later.

He mentions lots of other people in them and states lots of facts, so what he says can easily be crossed checked anyway.

All supporters can do is claim he lied to himself in his own diaries !

[Adam]

Robert Boutflour's WS in a nutshell -

The kitchen could be locked from outside (14).

Jeremy reduced Neville to tears.

Jeremy's hatred may have started at Gresham's when other pupils called him a 'bastard'.

RB and AE heard Jeremy give a statement to the police on the massacre day. They believed what he was saying 'did not ring true'.

RB continued to refuse to believe Sheila committed the massacre. Even when Miller told him it was Sheila. Several days later.

Neville never said Jeremy showed an interest in farming. Refusing overtime and quitting mid harvest.

There was blood by the kitchen window.

The caravan site robbery was pre planned. Jeremy persuading Neville to not take the money home.

RB suggested Jeremy took the expensive drug, cocaine, and he had an expensive lifestyle. 

Neville loaned Jeremy £2,000. Jeremy told him he basically had no chance of getting it back after Neville chased it. 

The cycle journey was easy and passed no dwellings.

Jeremy dyed his hair on the massacre morning.

A strange quote from Jeremy 'If you speak long and loud enough, people will believe anything'.

Pre arrest, Julie had told the police Jeremy called her at 3.15am.

The relatives approached the police 24 hours after the massacre. Refuting the planned frame theory.

Local people would know Witham was closed between 3am - 4am. However on that night an officer was manning the phones during this period.

Freddie told RB Sheila had no muscle co ordination. And needed two hands to pick up a glass.

There is no record of the mysterious 'I've got something up my sleeve' quote.

The 'I could easily kill my parents' quote is explained in more detail.

Jeremy had a craving for money. His demands to June were threatening.

June had arranged for Sheila to start receiving an allowance. Jeremy would have resented Sheila's situation.

[Jan]

So adam
 
why was RB nearly thrown out of the court when giving evidence according to colin?

And why were none of the above points proven .

Also we had established before that Julies diaries were written AFTER  the event

And why after RB gave evidence did the jury ask the vital question - what did the family have to gain?

[Adam]

I'm sure you will be the first to agree that RB's diaries are 'very very' damaging to Jeremy.

They are what he said, what he did, what was said to him & his opinions, observations. In a non court document.

You cannot refute them.

[Adam]

Supporters are entitled to refuse to believe Witness Statements or court testimonies.

Claiming the relatives, Julie and the police had motives to lie. Although there is no proof any of them lied.

But to claim private diaries are lies is going too far.

[Mr. Gee]

As Scipio said, this forum is mainly discussing the evidence and witnesses that convicted Jeremy.

Claims that the evidence is wrong, either in error or on purpose and that witnesses lied, have no merit. As there is no proof of this.

At this point in time Adam we are discussing RWB's diary notes, not court evidence.

[Adam]

At this point in time Adam we are discussing RWB's diary notes, not court evidence.

Yes we are, and it has been a very good discussion. Thank you for supplying the thread.

[Jan]

Yes we are, and it has been a very good discussion. Thank you for supplying the thread.

it depends which way you look at them - and you are avoiding questions as usual.

to me it is the diary of a homophobic person who was determined to get his man because he did not think he belonged in the family - and wanted him cut out of the inheritance from Granny speakman whether found guilty or innocent. He made it clear the fact that he was adopted was relevant and none of the conversations are verified by third persons.He was not prepared to listen to experienced officers and went further up the line until he got what he wanted .Strange his wife kept well out of all this.

[lookout]

Patti was right in saying that the " diaries " were nothing more that pre-trial notes.

[Alias]

Patti was right in saying that the " diaries " were nothing more that pre-trial notes.

In a nutshell. Pre trial notes. Julie´s "diary" was not a regular diary and neither is RWB´s.

[lookout]

 Certainly NOT diaries as we know them to be. Who did they think they were kidding ?