The (Andrew Hunter) Book draft, that never got published from seven years ago...

[Roch]

No disrespect to members but this thread is going to go way off topic.  The draft is an important document on this forum.

[JackAll]

Wasn't it possible for cyclists to dismount? It's still my belief Jeremy had been emboldened by the Osea Road robbery and had realized that there was nobody around..

I recall it meant picking your way through mud, cr*p and formwork which was littered across the pathway; plus in several places the pathway was completely blocked by plant etc.

I'm keen to know who you are Jack. Do you remember L. P. Sampson at Frame Farm a bit before Pages Lane?

No, sorry...............

[Jane]

Wasn't it possible for cyclists to dismount? It's still my belief Jeremy had been emboldened by the Osea Road robbery and had realized that there was nobody around..

Steve, there are several miles between the caravan site, Jeremy's house and WHF. I fail to see how SURMISING there was "nobody around" in one place would mean there was "nobody around" in others.

[grahameb]

Steve, there are several miles between the caravan site, Jeremy's house and WHF. I fail to see how SURMISING there was "nobody around" in one place would mean there was "nobody around" in others.

It was August and there would have been many people about. Not sure about that early in the morning though?

[Steve_uk]

Steve, there are several miles between the caravan site, Jeremy's house and WHF. I fail to see how SURMISING there was "nobody around" in one place would mean there was "nobody around" in others.

He probably covered his face with a balaclava and was an anonymous person anyway in the vicinity. It's very unlikely that even if someone had seen a person on a bicycle that morning they could have positively identified him.

[Steve_uk]

I recall it meant picking your way through mud, cr*p and formwork which was littered across the pathway; plus in several places the pathway was completely blocked by plant etc.
No, sorry...............

Funny you should mention the mud..

[grahameb]

Funny you should mention the mud..

Oh no! Talk about giving ammo to the enemy.....Hey we're back to the channel 5 documentary again.

[Roch]

If it aint about the content of the book draft, can it please be posted elswehere on a more relevant thread?  For example a new thread in 'off-topic'.

[mike tesko]

During one of my visits to Andrew Hunters home, he gave me a copy of this photograph;-

[grahameb]

If it aint about the content of the book draft, can it please be posted elswehere on a more relevant thread?  For example a new thread in 'off-topic'.

You forgot the Apostrophe. "ain't". 

[lookout]

He probably covered his face with a balaclava and was an anonymous person anyway in the vicinity. It's very unlikely that even if someone had seen a person on a bicycle that morning they could have positively identified him.

Steve,,the area at the time sounded to me like a close-knit community one,,where people tended to be quite insular in their surrounds. Who knew every movement,and who was moving about at unearthly hours. I'd imagine that quite a few elderly people lived there,,who for obvious reasons would have to get up in the night,and while they're at it,,slide the curtain back just to look outside. It's all it takes to spot someone going past on a bike and before you know it,,everyone in the neighbourhood knows.So I'd imagine that nothing would have got past the curtain-twitchers.

[Roch]

tens of posts are going to have to be removed from this thread in to another thread, if off-topic posts continue. Please stay ON-TOPIC

[gringo]

The problem the silencer mark throws up is that you're back to Sheila having returned it to the gun cupboard when the blood spatter evidence on the nightie suggests that she lay down in close proximity when both shots were fired.

Only if you believe the fanciful tale of the silencers discovery as presented by the prosecution . It is not credible anymore to to place any reliability on the silencer evidence and the tale of it's discovery . You are doggedly relying on "facts", which have been utterly discredited , to support your stance.
    The silencer being found by the family in the gun cupboard is fiction so there is no problem at all and certainly not one where it has to be explained how Sheila returned the silencer to the cupboard . The silencer wasn't in the cupboard .
    Do you believe that EP only ever had one silencer and that this was discovered as laid out by the prosecution ?
   

[Steve_uk]

Only if you believe the fanciful tale of the silencers discovery as presented by the prosecution . It is not credible anymore to to place any reliability on the silencer evidence and the tale of it's discovery . You are doggedly relying on "facts", which have been utterly discredited , to support your stance.
    The silencer being found by the family in the gun cupboard is fiction so there is no problem at all and certainly not one where it has to be explained how Sheila returned the silencer to the cupboard . The silencer wasn't in the cupboard .
    Do you believe that EP only ever had one silencer and that this was discovered as laid out by the prosecution ?
 

This is the Andrew Hunter Book Draft thread in which the silencer mark on Sheila's neck is mentioned,it having been noted by two gun enthusiasts in Ewen Smith's Birmingham office some ten years ago. I'm afraid this has to be explained away however much the Defence is squirming on this issue,and to my mind as to many others Mike's assertion that the Police shot Sheila with a Police-issue silencer is incredible.

[nugnug]

Only if you believe the fanciful tale of the silencers discovery as presented by the prosecution . It is not credible anymore to to place any reliability on the silencer evidence and the tale of it's discovery . You are doggedly relying on "facts", which have been utterly discredited , to support your stance.
    The silencer being found by the family in the gun cupboard is fiction so there is no problem at all and certainly not one where it has to be explained how Sheila returned the silencer to the cupboard . The silencer wasn't in the cupboard .
    Do you believe that EP only ever had one silencer and that this was discovered as laid out by the prosecution ?
 

well especaily when the people who found the silencer have been proven to have lied in court about other things.