Sniffer dog

[Nuala]

Hi Tyler, you've just fallen in by your comment (oops! so Have I  )!

Choc does jump on the back of others disagreements and hammered into Hartley after he had been banned. It's the nature of the forum!

Nick,

Stop stirring. I refuse to be goaded into responding to this absurd post.

[Nuala]

No it wasn't. Although perhaps you may like to heed your own advice.

Hartley, stop picking on Tyler.

[Hartley]

Tyler, you have my apologies if you feel picked on, I have no idea how that could be true, but you have my apologies nonetheless.

Choc, refer to bullet point four below.

4.
Understand that it's not you, it's them. This can be surprisingly difficult, considering that impossible people have complete mastery of blaming skills. Chances are, the more often they blame you, the more they themselves are actually at fault. Keep in mind that this is not to be used as a way to blame them. Blaming is what impossible people do, and they do it well. Instead, you are only facing the facts, for your own sake. That being said, here's a simple way to tell: if you accept responsibility for your own faults and resolve to improve yourself, it's probably not you. Remember, impossible people "can do no wrong."

[Roch]

Gunga made a good point about the futility of trying to 'convert' people.  I think is an underlying dynamic at play in the debating on here.  I think people are not even conscious that they're doing it.  The only thing you can do in my opinion, is attempt to interpret what is put in front of you and (politely) point out the flaws in others' thinking, if the need arises.

Then again, maybe it's unrealistic to expect that things wont be prickley on here.  Just thought I'd have my twopenneth.

[lonny]

Jon , are you serious or just winding me up!

JB dealing drugs / JB breaking in to the caravan site and stealing money are just two examples!

If any of JB's friends, now or then, want to suggest he had an exemplary charter then so be it, and if you want believe that then so be it!

If there is a witness list for the defence available called to support JB's good character then so be it. I'd certainly like to see it!

Do you believe JB didn't deal drugs?

So did JM

Do you believe JB didn't break into the caravan park office and steal money?

So did JM

Can you please advise me of any witness called by the defence to support JB's good character?

They probably didn't, but the only ones who pointed out a dark side did so for financial gain......


Do you believe JB was an angel, bearing in mind his actions following the murders (and I hope you are aware of these as I do not want to list them)?


You only have JMs word for any of his bad behaviour after.....the same JM who admitted trying to KILL him

[Newbury1]

Jon , are you serious or just winding me up!

JB dealing drugs / JB breaking in to the caravan site and stealing money are just two examples!

If any of JB's friends, now or then, want to suggest he had an exemplary charter then so be it, and if you want believe that then so be it!

If there is a witness list for the defence available called to support JB's good character then so be it. I'd certainly like to see it!

Do you believe JB didn't deal drugs?

So did JM

Do you believe JB didn't break into the caravan park office and steal money?

So did JM

Can you please advise me of any witness called by the defence to support JB's good character?

They probably didn't, but the only ones who pointed out a dark side did so for financial gain......

Do you believe JB was an angel, bearing in mind his actions following the murders (and I hope you are aware of these as I do not want to list them)?

You only have JMs word for any of his bad behaviour after.....the same JM who admitted trying to KILL him

Lonny, I agree with most of the the points you made above, but my answer was to a specific question from Jon which is why I structured it the way I did!

The question from Jon did not require me to list problems with Sheila, or JM, or anyone else, but I accept your point.

[Newbury1]

Nick,

Stop stirring. I refuse to be goaded into responding to this absurd post.

Choc,

Okay, then could I please have a response to my post #24, in response to your post listing Sheila's faults where you use some fairly goading words against me?

Do you acknowledge that my reply post #24 is fair, accurate and non goading?

And I don't believe I am exaggerating (as you put it) JB's faults at all, simply pointing them out and as an 80% guilty poster I will err on this side.

[HMEssex]

Jon , are you serious or just winding me up!

JB dealing drugs / JB breaking in to the caravan site and stealing money are just two examples!

If any of JB's friends, now or then, want to suggest he had an exemplary charter then so be it, and if you want believe that then so be it!

If there is a witness list for the defence available called to support JB's good character then so be it. I'd certainly like to see it!

Do you believe JB didn't deal drugs?

Do you believe JB didn't break into the caravan park office and steal money?

Can you please advise me of any witness called by the defence to support JB's good character?

Do you believe JB was an angel, bearing in mind his actions following the murders (and I hope you are aware of these as I do not want to list them)?

Nobody has suggested that Jeremy had an exemplary charter, but then neither did Sheila or Julie.  He, however, was not known to show any violent tendencies, unlike the two women (for their various reasons).

[Nuala]

Nobody has suggested that Jeremy had an exemplary charter, but then neither did Sheila or Julie.  He, however, was not known to show any violent tendencies, unlike the two women (for their various reasons).

Excellent point, HMEssex.

[Nuala]

Choc, I agree we both refer to unattributed, uncorroborated and unproven claims from unreliable sources!

Thank you, well said, Nick


But, I repeat, I do not use these to support my posts.........!

In my opinion, you used that uncorroborated and unproven quotation from Wikipedia in an attempt to blacken Jeremy's character, in order to support your view, expressed in some of your posts here, of a dark side to Jeremy's character - and all in order to promote your view that Jeremy murdered his family.


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[Nuala]

Choc,

Okay, then could I please have a response to my post #24, in response to your post listing Sheila's faults where you use some fairly goading words against me?

Do you acknowledge that my reply post #24 is fair, accurate and non goading?

And I don't believe I am exaggerating (as you put it) JB's faults at all, simply pointing them out and as an 80% guilty poster I will err on this side.

I'm sorry if you regard my post as goading you, I do not believe I was doing this, I believe I was merely stating my view.

In all fairness to you, yes you tend to be one sided in your view of Jeremy's character, but I can be equally one sided. I have, however, discussed Jeremy's character flaws in my posts and have not solely discussed Sheila's.

[vidvic]

I am still waiting to see any evidence that this dog was ever removed from the van.

[Newbury1]

I am still waiting to see any evidence that this dog was ever removed from the van.

I agree. The "evidence" relating to the police dog suggesting JB had no gun shot residue upon his person is totally unfounded - unless you wish to believe in a bit of fiction from David Shaw!

I personally would like to see the full court trial transcript to see if Rivlin picked up on this nugget of evidence in JB's defence?

[Nuala]

Scott Lomax confirms the sniffer dog was brought up to Jeremy and did not give a positive reaction.  I can't remember whether or not Wilkes refers to this dog, but Nick will state that two authors writing of this is mere fiction. I wish there was some official corroboration of the use of this dog. There should be a statement from PC Mercer about this, but this statement might well, of course, have been dropped into that black hole where far too much evidence was hidden.

[ngb1066]

PC Mercer works in the CO OP in Chelmsford Essex and firmly believes Jeremy is innocent

Have you spoken to him?