Big mistake

[bob]

Well, thanks for your point of view, but for my part I am not taking any more crap from anybody, if you could see the abuse I am getting from everywhere you might understand why I took the decision I did. The other thing is these people have been deliberately trying to goad and wind me up to try and get the sort of reactions that I responded with to try and get the forum shut down, because they don't like the information and evidence that is being posted or talked about.

Could you post evidence of this Mike?

[bob]

Anyway,Im sure they will be back at some point?

How so, if they're banned?

[mike tesko]

The burn marks on the back of Ralph's neck, and the two entry wounds on Sheila's neck and the photographs of the guns barrel in different positions against Shela's neck, minus its end cap or a silencer, plus the fact that Sheila died after Ralph, all point to the fact that Sheila's blood could not have got into the silencer by a process of backspatter at the time she was killed, for all the reasons touched upon or given, aforementioned...

[bob]

On their own they are great,but when both on the forum together,they tend to get a little braver and are prone to gang up a little on other members?

They are two of less than 5 regular dissenters - how can they gang up given the overwhelming numbers of pro-Bamber posters?

[mertol22]

Well done for banning that horrible wretch Hartley, Mike. Many of his posts were abusive and offensive. He broke more forum rules than I've had hot dinners. Such was Hartley's arrogance that he thought that he was untouchable and could do just as he liked here.  Good riddance, Hartley! Vic used to be more reasonable, but he had begun taking his cues from Hartley's abuse. Hartley and Vic, you have only yourselves to blame.

The pair of them turned very sour and together ganged on mike and tried to get him to snap, i still have no proof they know the relatives and i dont really care now or then, both chose to join the forum neither were asked or ordered, the photos of Sheila are upsetting however they are posted on the forum in good faith and are important to the debates we are having, both went much too far and neither are worthy of a return so i guess its back to debating if there were any reason for their rudeness it could well be the positive current position of events in favour of jeremy.

[Roch]

Well, sometimes it is necessary to post a picture to make a better point in a post...

Mike...  Might a possible solution be to number every pic that you have of Sheila?  Then, when proposing an argument which makes reference to particular photo, you could reference the number.  You could even provide a link by using the number (in the same manner that 'Reader' posts their links). 

If you choose to do the above, it would give posters the option of clicking on the link.  The chances are, posters will probably click on the links in question, if the arguments being presented are inviting opinions from posters in relation to comparisons.  But at least it will have been their own choice to do so. 

The current method you are using is leaving you prone to criticism due to 'overkill' etc.  I realise that's a poor turn of phrase given the subject of my post but it is also an apt turn of phrase.

By giving posters a choice to click upon the link for a particular crime scene pic, it may actually encourage scrutiny and examination among some posters, who might normally take umbrage at not having a choice.

[bob]

Mike, wish you'd stop putting those pics of Sheila in to the threads - I often read the posts late at night so keep seeing Sheila's face when I go to sleep!!!!!  :'(

I agree, and have raised this issue before. Mike seems obsessed with posting unecessary pictures of the victims when they are not relevant to his point

[bob]

Well done for banning that horrible wretch Hartley, Mike. Many of his posts were abusive and offensive. He broke more forum rules than I've had hot dinners. Such was Hartley's arrogance that he thought that he was untouchable and could do just as he liked here.  Good riddance, Hartley! Vic used to be more reasonable, but he had begun taking his cues from Hartley's abuse. Hartley and Vic, you have only yourselves to blame.

Oh dear 

[mike tesko]

I agree, and have raised this issue before. Mike seems obsessed with posting unecessary pictures of the victims when they are not relevant to his point

From my point of view they are always relevant, I can't speak for you or the others who see the pictures but misunderstand the point I was trying to make, as evident by your comments...

[mike tesko]

Mike...  Might a possible solution be to number every pic that you have of Sheila?  Then, when proposing an argument which makes reference to particular photo, you could reference the number.  You could even provide a link by using the number (in the same manner that 'Reader' posts their links). 

If you choose to do the above, it would give posters the option of clicking on the link.  The chances are, posters will probably click on the links in question, if the arguments being presented are inviting opinions from posters in relation to comparisons.  But at least it will have been their own choice to do so. 

The current method you are using is leaving you prone to criticism due to 'overkill' etc.  I realise that's a poor turn of phrase given the subject of my post but it is also an apt turn of phrase.

By giving posters a choice to click upon the link for a particular crime scene pic, it may actually encourage scrutiny and examination among some posters, who might normally take umbrage at not having a choice.

Sounds like a good idea, but what will the opposition then come up with?

They don't like anything that puts their case in a poor light...

[mike tesko]

Without the silencer, blood and paint evidence linked to it, the prosecutions case is zilch...

[mike tesko]

BIG MISTAKE - too right it was, they merged the evidence from two different identical looking silencers into the same one, and tried to hide and conceal the documentary evidence which shows and confirms that two different silencers were sent to the lab' on two separate occasions, one on 30th August 1985 (blood) and the other on 20th September 1985 (paint). They went to all these lengths only to find some 26 years later that evidence had been obtained to prove a silencer was not fitted to the guns barrel at the time Sheila was shot and  killed in the bedroom...

[bob]

What's happened to Andrea's account? Has she been banned too?
She's not appearing on the list of registered users and her profile can't receive PMs 

[mike tesko]

A lot of different people (all prosecution witnesses) went to a lot of trouble to get the silencer, blood and paint evidence into the prosecutions case, so that the police could prosecute Jeremy for the murders. It was this combination of evidence that helped to secure these convictions for these murders after the case of trying to pin the murders on a hitman who had been paid by Bamber to wipe out his family fell into the gutter...

Seems like, once hitman theory was out of the window, the silencer, blood and paint evidence was introduced as the way forward to get their man...

[Roch]

Sounds like a good idea, but what will the opposition then come up with?

They don't like anything that puts their case in a poor light...

Mike,

There was some bear baiting going on.. but you walked right in to the trap.  A grizzled campaigner shouldn't be that easy to snare.  You could have boxed clever instead.