Reactions after Murders

[Pete0001]

I'm interested to know if Jeremy ever gave a reason to the way he reacted after the murders of his entire immediate family.
From what I've read here and on other sites as well as a few TV documentaries it would seem he went on a bit of a spending spree with clothes, champagne and holidays.

Is this correct and did he ever say why?

[Kaldin]

I'm interested to know if Jeremy ever gave a reason to the way he reacted after the murders of his entire immediate family.
From what I've read here and on other sites as well as a few TV documentaries it would seem he went on a bit of a spending spree with clothes, champagne and holidays.

Is this correct and did he ever say why?

I think he said something about it but I'd have to look for that.

It was awful really. I don't know if his behaviour was exaggerated or not, but it didn't do him any favours.

[Pete0001]

Carry2 - Yes, very true... by his side until it looked like the gravy train had stopped (Bamber dumping her/flirting else where call it what you will) and then running to the Police to make a statement and also get previous crime wiped.

[bb2010]

If you ever get a chance to see the Killing Mum and Dad documentary, there is footage of Jeremy being taken away in a police vehicle. I remember his reaction to the camera when he was in the police vehicle in the documentary. I would like to see it again and wish I had a copy to post for everyone.

Did anyone else see the documentary?

[mike tesko]

If you ever get a chance to see the Killing Mum and Dad documentary, there is footage of Jeremy being taken away in a police vehicle. I remember his reaction to the camera when he was in the police vehicle in the documentary. I would like to see it again and wish I had a copy to post for everyone.

Did anyone else see the documentary?

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I remember that documentary - for a different reason...

I was interested in the angle between the internal door through which the cameraman passed through when he entered the kitchen at whf, through the very same door that the original firearms officers must have passed before they actually got themselves into the kitchen, and it became very clear that it would have been impossible for anyone to see a person sat on a wooden chair behind that internal door, from the vantage point of standing outside the kitchen window...

I had personally stood at that very same window in the summer of 1990, and looked or peered into the kitchen with a view to establishing whether or not if there had been a body sat on a chair behind that internal door, it could have been seen at all, and mistakenly identified as a dead female body, when in fact it turned out to be the body of a dead male?

Upon seeing the angle which was on view between the internal door and the kitchen window, as viewed from inside the house, it became apparent to me, that nobody could have misidentified Ralph's body for that of a dead female, as now alleged by the police, because you could not see that part of the kitchen by standing on the outside of the kitchen Window, looking inwards...

[Kaldin]

Have we seen evidence that Neville's body was behind that door yet?

[Kaldin]

I found this snippet from a letter which Jeremy allegedly sent to the Mirror.

At the trial, Bamber was accused of behaving inappropriately after the murders and buying champagne for pals the evening after his parents’ funeral.

Bamber said: “You ask me whether I would have done things differently, as if I had control over how I coped with the grief of losing my whole family.

“I am certainly not alone in turning to alcohol in sorrow – nor in seeking the company of others who cared about me.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/08/06/convicted-killer-jeremy-bamber-feels-guilty-for-not-helping-the-crazed-sister-he-claims-slaughtered-their-family-115875-22467850/

[Pete0001]

I found this snippet from a letter which Jeremy allegedly sent to the Mirror.

At the trial, Bamber was accused of behaving inappropriately after the murders and buying champagne for pals the evening after his parents’ funeral.

Bamber said: “You ask me whether I would have done things differently, as if I had control over how I coped with the grief of losing my whole family.

“I am certainly not alone in turning to alcohol in sorrow – nor in seeking the company of others who cared about me.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/08/06/convicted-killer-jeremy-bamber-feels-guilty-for-not-helping-the-crazed-sister-he-claims-slaughtered-their-family-115875-22467850/

Thanks for posting that... I can't really comment further on what he must have been feeling as I've never experienced that kind of loss and its no new thing the media putting a spin on someone getting comfort from friends and having a drink.

[Pete0001]

Also I read that after the murders before he had been arrested he offered semi-nude pictures of Sheila from her modelling days to tabloid newspapers. Was there any truth to this at all?

[Elizabeth]

Good questions, Pete0001! I too am most curious to know the answers to these, and what Jeremy had to say about them.

Quote from: Kaldin on February 04, 2011, 09:14:PM

At the trial, Bamber was accused of behaving inappropriately after the murders and buying champagne for pals the evening after his parents’ funeral.

Bamber said: “You ask me whether I would have done things differently, as if I had control over how I coped with the grief of losing my whole family.

“I am certainly not alone in turning to alcohol in sorrow – nor in seeking the company of others who cared about me.”

Assuming that the way in which Jeremy acted after the murders was not exaggerated by the media, then his behaviour may seem quite odd to us. But what he is saying here does make sense when you think about it. He lost his ENTIRE immediate family in ONE day, and under horrific circumstances. The shock and trauma of that would be unimaginable to the vast majority of us. The pain unbearable. How would one be expected to cope with such devastation? In order to survive, initially, perhaps he blocked the tragedy out of all consciousness...acting as though it didn't happen, hence the strange behaviour.  Everybody grieves in different ways, and of course this was no ordinary grief.

Quote from: Pete0001 on February 04, 2011, 06:51:PM

Also I read that after the murders before he had been arrested he offered semi-nude pictures of Sheila from her modelling days to tabloid newspapers. Was there any truth to this at all?

Yes, that is very odd. But i wonder (considering Jeremy had "a few enemy's"), could somebody else have made that call to the newspaper claiming to be Jeremy himself? After all they didn't speak face to face, did they. Just a thought/theory. It would be good if somebody could shed some light on this. I don't remember reading Jeremy discuss this anywhere.

[Kaldin]

I think that even if Jeremy did behave that way, it's not an indication of either his guilt or his innocence.

The theory is that he must have killed them because otherwise he would have been too depressed to go around drinking champagne, going on holidays, and selling the family treasures.

One could equally say that his behaviour is an indication of his innocence because if he had killed them he would be far too worried and far too stressed about being found out to go around enjoying himself, particularly as he was supposed to have confided in Julie that he'd done it. Also, unless he's a complete sociopath, he would have felt some degree of guilt surely.

[Elizabeth]

I think that even if Jeremy did behave that way, it's not an indication of either his guilt or his innocence.

The theory is that he must have killed them because otherwise he would have been too depressed to go around drinking champagne, going on holidays, and selling the family treasures.

One could equally say that his behaviour is an indication of his innocence because if he had killed them he would be far too worried and far too stressed about being found out to go around enjoying himself, particularly as he was supposed to have confided in Julie that he'd done it. Also, unless he's a complete sociopath, he would have felt some degree of guilt surely.

You are right, Kaldin, it is neither an indiction of his guilt nor innocence, really. It proves nothing! I was thinking the exact same thing: that if he was guilty, why would he draw attention to himself like that, make himself appear highly suspicious.Surely he would be doing the opposite? Which makes me think that at the time he was so overcome with grief that he was not thinking straight. Just my thoughts, of course. That is the question, Jeremy is either totally innocent, or a clever, manipulative sociopath who has fooled a lot of people. I believe the former, that he is innocent.

[andrea]

i agree with you elizabeth i think jb is innocent. sheila was frightened her children would be fostered and couldnt bear the thought of being away from them.hence the killings. alot of people on this board believe in his innocent, so i think its only right we discuss the reasons why sheila would have done the murders. we are getting the evidence ,but its iimportant we learn the reasons.

[Kaldin]

I think that even if Jeremy did behave that way, it's not an indication of either his guilt or his innocence.

The theory is that he must have killed them because otherwise he would have been too depressed to go around drinking champagne, going on holidays, and selling the family treasures.

One could equally say that his behaviour is an indication of his innocence because if he had killed them he would be far too worried and far too stressed about being found out to go around enjoying himself, particularly as he was supposed to have confided in Julie that he'd done it. Also, unless he's a complete sociopath, he would have felt some degree of guilt surely.

You are right, Kaldin, it is neither an indiction of his guilt nor innocence, really. It proves nothing! I was thinking the exact same thing: that if he was guilty, why would he draw attention to himself like that, make himself appear highly suspicious.Surely he would be doing the opposite? Which makes me think that at the time he was so overcome with grief that he was not thinking straight. Just my thoughts, of course. That is the question, Jeremy is either totally innocent, or a clever, manipulative sociopath who has fooled a lot of people. I believe the former, that he is innocent.

Yes. It seems to me that everyone connected with the case behaved a bit oddly really. Jeremy was off on holidays and drinking champagne. Julie Mugford was going off on these holidays with Jeremy. Robert Boutflour was having Jeremy and a friend followed, he was going to see the police at Witham a lot, and he was trying to find out who inherited the money.  Ann Eaton seemed to be everywhere - in the house, with Julie, talking to the police, and was writing all kinds of things down on cards. David Boutflour was searching the gun cupboard for no apparent reason.

I don't know - it's all quite bizarre really.

[Kaldin]

i agree with you elizabeth i think jb is innocent. sheila was frightened her children would be fostered and couldnt bear the thought of being away from them.hence the killings. alot of people on this board believe in his innocent, so i think its only right we discuss the reasons why sheila would have done the murders. we are getting the evidence ,but its iimportant we learn the reasons.

The trouble is they both had a motive. The prosecution didn't deny she had a motive as far as I can see.