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Re: Bamber Country
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2012, 08:21:PM »
      Well Grahame I will have to disagree on your version of Haam, Perhaps I have spelt it wrong and it should be Hiam. When I researched Ingatestone and Fryerning's iron age history. Essex council said their records showed Ingatestone taking it's name from a Saxon called Ginga, personally that is the name somebody gives to a cat. When I had trawled through the Saxon Charters, I came across an entry for Rycinngahaam, witnessed by St Cedd for some land given to build a chapel called Bedemans Berg. Barking Abbey, owned the Estates of Handley and Woodbarns, The Abbess, Ethelburga who had a son called Bede, coincidentally, herself an Offa Princess from Lindon in Lincolnshire, her brother Erkenwald, Bishop of London otherwise known as King of the Angles, both were children of the Mercian King of Briton in the 7th century, did not live in a town,place or other without an association to the Virgin Mary or God. I concluded that Rycinngahaam in fact had a closer meaning as Gods Enclosure from a hybrid of Italian/Latin and Hebrew and not that of a cat. Due in the main because every major house had a name
derived from the most powerful Religious Orders in Britain including Furness Abbey, Canterbury and Westminster. I stood on top of a 40ft high iron age barrow, in a wood called Barrow Wood that cannot
be explained away as the work of industrious badgers. Found an Iron age road, links to the Knights Hospitallers, a Roman horse market, evidence of an iron age chariot burial, the oldest recorded Syracuse/Ancient Greece 280/270BC coin ever found in the British Isles, confirmed by Dr Paul Seeley of Colchester Museum Resource Centre who is a leading specialist on Iron Age Britain and on closer inspection of an area covering thousands of acres, what Council Archaeologists had identified as deer banks, were in fact remnants of ditches belonging to a large Iron Age Settlement, previously overlooked
by historians as of little significance. When i questioned the reliability of distances in the Antonine Itinerary as locating towns should match to where they are purportedly said to be today, Caeseromagus,  Caesar's Market (Chelmsford ) the explanation given to me for discrepancies was that one of the Roman surveyors was alot taller than the other and they started at opposite ends and that was why Caeseromagus was 26 miles from Londinium and 24 miles from Camulodunum. I had never heard anything that ridiculous until  I read the Police reasoning for convicting Jeremy Bamber. Perhaps one of the Roman surveyors cheated by riding some of the journey on a ladies bicycle. After even more extensive cross referenced research I established the exact location of the Roman Farriers workshop, that just happened to be next to the Roman Horse Market. I came to the conclusion that perhaps this was in fact the location of Caeseromagus because the distances actually matched up for Londinium. As it became apparent to me that the Iron Age settlements were always on high ground with heath close at hand, it made sense that the reason Cunobelins coins have a horse on one side and an ear of wheat
on the other, that the ancient Britons were in fact Horse masters and had been supplying the known world at that time with the finest chariot ( quadrigga four horse ) racing animals. They were all gelded
to make them easy to control. Gelding being invented by the Hebrews and shown by the use of phylacteries. Ham in a place name is God unless of course someone can come up with a more feasible explanation and that is why I am sticking to my original explanation. The Ancient Britons were horse worshippers under the Goddess Epona ( she is always seen with a horse with a mouth full of fat ears of wheat ) Dr William Stukely understood this when he rebuilt Stonehenge and found he could only rebuild
a horseshoe structure, he also discovered a horse burial on top of Silbury hill. He was the leading antiquary of his time and to protect the church he was demonised as a heretic. He is buried in St Marys
Church Barking, Close to the site of Barking Abbey and I have been informed the Church and former Abbey were linked by a tunnel. Oh I forgot to mention the tunnel system at Fryerning/ Ingatestone
linking Bedemans Berg to Furze Hall to St Leonards to St Marys Church all in the enclosure where the Syracuse coin was found. I hope this goes some way in to explaining my reasoning and conclusions. 

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Re: Bamber Country
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2012, 01:18:PM »
   Choch, clarification on the definition of Fitzroy from the Revd Dr Brewers dictionary of Phrase and Fable.
Fitz ( Norman ). Son of ; as Fitz-Herbert, Fitz-William, Fitz-Peter etc. It is sometimes applied to illigitimate
children, as Fitz-Clarence, Fitz-Roy.     

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« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2012, 03:00:PM »
    The Black Beauty TV theme tune fits in with the horse connection, now on to Little Totham. It is between Great Totham and Goldhanger, to which the last parish it was united. It is a small parish, not of the best air, but two families chose it as their place of residence, Hevingham and Sammes. The two Manors are Little Totham And Rokhall. The Manor house at Little Totham was built by Sir John Sammes. In Edward the Confessor's reign it was in two hands Cola and Gunner. At the time of the survey, Hugh de Montfort held the former, and Suene the latter which Gunner was allowed to enjoy under him which is uncommon. Under Henry de Essex 4 knights fees were held. In the reign of HenryIII this manor and Goldhanger are vested with the de Jarpenvil family. An heiress of the de Jarpenvil's married into the Hevingham family, from whom it came by purchase into that of Browne and then Sammes.

       The Hevingham Family deduced their pedigree from Walter lord of Hevingham in Suffolk before the Norman Conquest. The first Hevingham to settle here was Philip in the reign of King Edward I. One of his predecessors was Sir William Hevingham, who was with King Richard I, at the siege of Acon, where he overcame and killed Sapher, the governor of the Castle in a single combat, a fight to the death. Philip in the rein of K Edward I marries Maud, daughter of Roger de Jarpenvil, after these two the inter marriages
go wright through the Essex Families, Strutts, Haningfields and Peverals. Then the Sammes enter through Marriage. Sir John Sammes was a knight and governor of Isendike in Flanders where he lies buried. His wife was daughter of Sir John Gerrard, Kt. Lord Mayor of London.

     Rokhall or Rookhall is the other manor, the house was situated about a quarter of a mile out of the road leading from this parish to Heybridge. Eduuolt, and Aluric were owners in Edward the Confessors reign, by the time of the survey it is in the See of The Bisops of London. All Saints church at Little Totham
has the oldest door dating from about 1082 but it could be a lot older. The church or rather chapel has been from time immemorial annexed to the church of Goldhanger.   

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« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2012, 05:46:PM »
     Tolleshunt Knights is northeast of Tolleshunt Major, adjoining the Winstree Hundred. Besides its name of Tolleshunt Knights in latin Militis, in French Chivaler, also Parva, sometimes Magna and Tolleshunt Bushes [ corruptly Bishop ] because the church lies in bushes.  Ailmar, Alric and eight freemen
were owners before the survey, after which Ralph Baignard and Gonduin have title. The two Manors are Barnewalden/Barne-Hall and Brooke Hall. Barnewalden Mansion House is situated on the side of a hill with an extensive view of Mersey Island and the sea. Roman pavements were dug up near it several feet underground. William Baignard son of Ralph loses this and his other estates for siding with King Henry I enemies, King Henry I gives them to Robert, the younger son of Richard Fitz-Gilbert, ancestor of the noble Family of Fitz-Walter. Under Walter Fitz-Robert Robert de Tolleshunt holds one knights fee in the reign of Henry II. By the time of King Edward the II the estate is in the hands of Patteshull family. It
then goes to the Lee family seated at Aldbury, John de la Lee is several times Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire. He died in 1307. Geffrey de la Lee was Knight of the Shire in several parliaments for the County of Hertford. Barking Abbey, John le Bouffer, William de Marney and Richard De Teye all have involvement with this Manor. By the 16thC there is mention of a Sir Robert Ratcliffe Lord Fitz-Water and a Henry Parker Lord Morley, The estate is called Barnewalden Park. Manyfield Wic that goes along with this Estate, stands near the Church. The Manor of Brooke-Hall, is owned by Alric before the survey and Gondwin after it. It's the only Estate he had in this County, it then goes to the Abbey of St Osyth. It comes to the Crown at the Suppresion of the Monasteries, King Henry VIII gives it to Thomas Cromwell, after his execution Henry grants it to his forsaken Queen the Lady Anne of Cleve. Queen Elizabeth I  gives Brokehall in 1599, Aug 1 to a John Spencer, Alderman of London. The Church is dedicated to All-Saints and the Rectory was a gift from The Lord of Barnewalden-Manor.     

     In hindsight this thread should start with the theme tune to William Wyler's The Big Country !!!   

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Re: Bamber Country
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2012, 09:25:PM »

campion, I continue to thoroughly enjoy reading your marvellous research on Bamber Country!
Excellent and enthralling! :)
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« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2012, 09:34:PM »
   Summer, This is where I think the problems arise, the adopted mothers side of the family. With granny
Speakman passing away so close to Jeremy's arrest, presumably she must have been in poor health
for sometime and her passing would be expected by all parties with a vested interest. Generally,
grandchildren have little specialist knowledge of how much there grandparents are worth in shares and
property. Their children do because they have openly discussed this delicate issue prior to the event,
particularly the farming fraternity, because it involves death duties, mainly inheritance tax. If they weren't in the loop, the consequences may affect there own properties that could be held in a family trust. The grandchildren just view that granparents are well off. This unpleasant scenario is the nature
of these situations, the children have to be well informed. In the unlikely event that an entire generation
is leapfrogged, then those with a vested interest are likely to become hostile to a junior, especially if they are not a direct blood relative. Can a family divide like that, would they push another family member
out and could they make sure that that person would never enter the scenario again, that is for people
to form their own judgement, my opinion is yes it can happen and it's much more common occurrence
than society is prepared to recognise. The Speakman family were seriously rich, because they were
very astute business people and they can only be congratulated for their success, it is what came next
and it's influences and possible motive ?
campion, I think that a family could indeed divide in such a way.
Whole Kingdoms have been won by eliminating family members in Battle, I believe.
I think the important point here, is that Jeremy, Sheila and the twins were not related to at least
June Bamber's side of the family, at all by blood.
The references that they were "Cuckoos", if true , I find both chilling and telling, about how the family
members on June's side felt. :(
Summer

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Re: Bamber Country
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2012, 09:45:PM »
The references that they were "Cuckoos", if true , I find both chilling and telling, about how the family
members on June's side felt. :(
Summer

What is a "Cuckoo"? Does it mean someone adopted into a family who is also a blood relation some how? Please excuse my ignorance.

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« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2012, 10:04:PM »
What is a "Cuckoo"? Does it mean someone adopted into a family who is also a blood relation some how? Please excuse my ignorance.
janet, I have read that the relatives of June Bamber used to refer to Jeremy and Sheila as the
Cuckoos, meaning that they were not blood relations and were in the family basically, just like Cuckoos
lay there eggs in another species of bird's nest!
It is a horrible phrase, yet a telling one, if indeed, it is true. ???
Summer

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Re: Bamber Country
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2012, 10:16:PM »
janet, I have read that the relatives of June Bamber used to refer to Jeremy and Sheila as the
Cuckoos, meaning that they were not blood relations and were in the family basically, just like Cuckoos
lay there eggs in another species of bird's nest!
It is a horrible phrase, yet a telling one, if indeed, it is true. ???
Summer

Ah I see. Thanks Summer. But is it possible that there is a blood connection between Jeremy/Sheila/the Bambers/the Speakmans?

Maybe that might be the culmination of campions thread. I will let him tell his tale and continue to read with interest.

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« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2012, 12:13:AM »
     Tolleshunt Knights is northeast of Tolleshunt Major, adjoining the Winstree Hundred. Besides its name of Tolleshunt Knights in latin Militis, in French Chivaler, also Parva, sometimes Magna and Tolleshunt Bushes [ corruptly Bishop ] because the church lies in bushes.  Ailmar, Alric and eight freemen
were owners before the survey, after which Ralph Baignard and Gonduin have title. The two Manors are Barnewalden/Barne-Hall and Brooke Hall. Barnewalden Mansion House is situated on the side of a hill with an extensive view of Mersey Island and the sea. Roman pavements were dug up near it several feet underground. William Baignard son of Ralph loses this and his other estates for siding with King Henry I enemies, King Henry I gives them to Robert, the younger son of Richard Fitz-Gilbert, ancestor of the noble Family of Fitz-Walter. Under Walter Fitz-Robert Robert de Tolleshunt holds one knights fee in the reign of Henry II. By the time of King Edward the II the estate is in the hands of Patteshull family. It
then goes to the Lee family seated at Aldbury, John de la Lee is several times Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire. He died in 1307. Geffrey de la Lee was Knight of the Shire in several parliaments for the County of Hertford. Barking Abbey, John le Bouffer, William de Marney and Richard De Teye all have involvement with this Manor. By the 16thC there is mention of a Sir Robert Ratcliffe Lord Fitz-Water and a Henry Parker Lord Morley, The estate is called Barnewalden Park. Manyfield Wic that goes along with this Estate, stands near the Church. The Manor of Brooke-Hall, is owned by Alric before the survey and Gondwin after it. It's the only Estate he had in this County, it then goes to the Abbey of St Osyth. It comes to the Crown at the Suppresion of the Monasteries, King Henry VIII gives it to Thomas Cromwell, after his execution Henry grants it to his forsaken Queen the Lady Anne of Cleve. Queen Elizabeth I  gives Brokehall in 1599, Aug 1 to a John Spencer, Alderman of London. The Church is dedicated to All-Saints and the Rectory was a gift from The Lord of Barnewalden-Manor.     

     In hindsight this thread should start with the theme tune to William Wyler's The Big Country !!!


Lovely, Campers! My grandmother was born at Manifold Wick farm. I wasn't aware it had once been called many field wick. Don't forget to cover Tiptree (or Tiptree Heath) Cannon Jay, Sheila's grandfather was born there, which has always struck me as rather odd, given that it was just a few miles from D'Arcy and also given the church connection.

The modern Tiptree was an amalgamation of a number of other parishes, all of which shared wood gathering rights on the heath: Inworth and Messing were among these parishes. So you'd perhaps need to do those too!

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Re: Bamber Country
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2012, 01:12:AM »
Keira you and Campion need to put together a book between you it would be amazing!!!!!
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« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2012, 09:26:AM »
Keira you and Campion need to put together a book between you it would be amazing!!!!!
I read that wrong. I thought you said, "You and Keira should have a book put between you. ;D

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« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2012, 01:44:PM »
   This is merely an observation, Jeremy Bamber appears to have developed a persona similar in kind to
King Richard III, who allegedly bumped off his young cousins to take their inheritance. Were AE and the Family big fans of William Shakespeare, and used this as a vehicle to destroy Jeremy's reputation ? 

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« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2012, 02:13:PM »
   This is merely an observation, Jeremy Bamber appears to have developed a persona similar in kind to
King Richard III, who allegedly bumped off his young cousins to take their inheritance. Were AE and the Family big fans of William Shakespeare, and used this as a vehicle to destroy Jeremy's reputation ?

Very astute Campion.

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« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2012, 02:14:PM »
   This is merely an observation, Jeremy Bamber appears to have developed a persona similar in kind to
King Richard III, who allegedly bumped off his young cousins to take their inheritance. Were AE and the Family big fans of William Shakespeare, and used this as a vehicle to destroy Jeremy's reputation ?
Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths.