Named members of the raid team - have they pulled the wool over our eyes?

[vidvic]

Grahame.....great minds.......lol

[ngb1066]

Wow! we've come a long way from the raid team aint we.

We certainly have!

[vidvic]

Can we just all agree that Jackie's not a racist and then move on?

[ngb1066]

Neil,
reference your post on another thread, how much off topic have we got here? lol.....
 

A long, long way Vic!

[Chochokeira]

Yes I remember the post in question. I don't think Jackie was meaning to or inadvertently being bigotted? I just think she worded it in an odd way. It may have seemed to be patronising. But I think she was trying to counter that which she sees on a daily basis. That there is a fair amount of racism among white people which while they may not say so publicly they say such things in private. There are places in the UK where they seem to think that because there is a lot of unemployment among black people, that they must be lazy or stupid. I can tell you this through personal experience. This is particularly noticeable when the police seem to target black people just because they are black. (not always). You don't see this so much in the countryside and villages of Essex. Therefore what Jackie posted would be taken by many as patronising towards black people, when in actual fact it was not.

I think it's important to remember that Jackie often posts from an iphone. This means that, in common with many other iphone users, Jackie often uses a shortened sentence form, one lacking some punctuation. Apologies Jackie, but I think it is accepted that iphones tend to lend themselves to some clumsily worded posts. It is certainly not uncommon for iphone users' posts to be misinterpreted. But that issue aside, I do not read Jackie's post as having any racist intentions or undertones. Jackie has made clear here many times that she is strongly opposed to racism. I've no doubt that this is the case.

[ngb1066]

A long, long way Vic!

Yes Vic, a very good idea.

[Jackiepreece]

All of these posts came about as a result of sad Billy no mates latest attempts to start trouble on the forum

[tonyb]

No, Alan Hansen was cricised for using the term "coloured" rather than "black".  Black is now considered respectful, coloured is outdated and now considered derogatory.

 

Many apologies and thanx for putting me right

[Hartley]

All of these posts came about as a result of sad Billy no mates latest attempts to start trouble on the forum

Oh dear. 

[mertol22]

I will return to Mikes opening question its clear as a austrian unmudded lake that this pii is keeping the lid on many parts on this case , back then and up to this day, major police blunders have taken place ive lost count, what moron in the police force allowed further officers to be at WHF that day on a training exercise, i was under the view 5 people lost their lives that day , i also believe the crime scene was contaminated, on that alone i would release Jeremy today if i was the HS,the raid team have a lot to answer a great deal of lying has takenplace, those people could only die once , the raid team alive today will go to their deaths and beyond death will live this lie to eternity.

[Reader]

they fired multiple head shots to incapacitate him.you dont know there dead until certified. you don't single shot if you shoot,you shoot to kill IMO

As JC de M was held down on the floor of the train and shot in the head at close range, the first bullet wound must have left him incapacitated at least. The "multiple shots" were at intervals of several seconds and by at least two officers. The later shots would have been obviously unnecessary and were probably into a dead body, as hollow-point ammunition was used.

A "suspect" gets on the train with a back pack... one bullet would be ridiculous, multiple head shots incapacitate you instantly

It could easily have been noticed that he wasn't resisting and didn't seem to have any explosives. He was being observed for some time while the train was being evacuated. He didn't have a backpack, and was wearing jeans and a light denim jacket.