Alleged photograph of Sheila on the bed with a single gunshot wound to her neck.

[tonyb]

Production company acquired it, yes - but who from? Your guess is as good as mine...

A production company obtained it?
Put yourself in the shoes of the production company.if its genuine it's a goldmine for the future of your company,the prestige of cracking the case,awards galore !!! If it's fake you bin it. The damage it would do your companies credibility if you release fake footage. (remember the fake Diana video?). So now you have a fake tape that several members of staff have seen it. It's pretty gory I'll admit. I'll take a pic of this on my I phone and send it to my mate,he likes this sort of stuff..... True or not, it's another explanation....

[mike tesko]

Image posted on this thread of Sheila, is a true and accurate image of Sheila insitu, after training officers applied CPR, you can invent as many explanations as you want to, the truth is the truth, and nothing anybody can say or invent will alter the facts...

[tonyb]

Mike,i'm not disagreeing with you,I'm agreeing with you. But can you understand the mentality of someone hanging onto such valuable information... Its surely worth a million Quid of anyones money

[mike tesko]

Nobody is hanging on to the photograph of Sheila on the bed, it cannot be published because of pii...

No-one can make a million quid out of it, its a delicate situation that the retired officer finds himself in, for many and various different reasons...

[tonyb]

Nobody is hanging on to the photograph of Sheila on the bed, it cannot be published because of pii...

No-one can make a million quid out of it, its a delicate situation that the retired officer finds himself in, for many and various different reasons...

Retired officer? thought it was a production company that aquired the video from "Your guess is as good as mine"comment? Can you clarify you do know the origin of the video still or not?

[mike tesko]

A copy of Photographs of Sheila on the bed is retained by retired police officer, and a copy of video footage from which the still image has been reproduced is in the possession of the CCRC...

[tonyb]

A copy of Photographs of Sheila on the bed is retained by retired police officer, and a copy of video footage from which the still image has been reproduced is in the possession of the CCRC...

got you,fully understood, but how did the Copper get a copy of the image?

[mike tesko]

I do not know how the production company managed to get hold of footage from the video taken at the crime scene by the training officers, but my guess is that somebody took a photograph of the relevant portion of the footage, and this might explain how the format appears to be different, or whatever...

I do know that copies of the original video footage were made by a number of the officers involved in the original raid, and the training exercise, and that this was done to prevent them being prosecuted for withholding information, and making false statements about where body of Sheila was originally found at the scene (downstairs in the region of the kitchen)...

[Roch]

Mike,

You state that the bed photo is withheld under PII, the implication being that to publish the photo would lead to serious consequences for the 'retired officer' concerned. 

Firstly, isn't the bed photo denied from even exisiting, due to Essex Police having officially fully cooperated in handing over all negatives to the CCRC and the CCRC in turn handing these over to the defence?   

Secondly, isn't this photo falling inside the parameters of evidence which could be described as 'exculpatory' towards Jeremy Bamber?  If so, couldn't there be a legal argument that it is wrong to withhold exculpatory evidence, thereby ensuring some kind of support for the photo to be exposed?

[mike tesko]

Mike,

You state that the bed photo is withheld under PII, the implication being that to publish the photo would lead to serious consequences for the 'retired officer' concerned. 

Firstly, isn't the bed photo denied from even exisiting, due to Essex Police having officially fully cooperated in handing over all negatives to the CCRC and the CCRC in turn handing these over to the defence?   

Secondly, isn't this photo falling inside the parameters of evidence which could be described as 'exculpatory' towards Jeremy Bamber?  If so, couldn't there be a legal argument that it is wrong to withhold exculpatory evidence, thereby ensuring some kind of support for the photo to be exposed?

Correct...

Jeremy has recently gone on record as saying that because of the new material obtained and presented as part of his CCRC application, he feels he no longer needs to get hold of a copy of the photograph of Sheila on the bed...

His words, not mine...

[Roch]

Correct...

Jeremy has recently gone on record as saying that because of the new material obtained and presented as part of his CCRC application, he feels he no longer needs to get hold of a copy of the photograph of Sheila on the bed...

His words, not mine...

But Mike, that doesn't answer my questions.  Does your reply not relate to a separate matter? 

A photo of Sheila on the bed surely must represent exculpatory evidence?  Unless some argument could be put together that she was layed there after having been photographed upon the floor.

I do not believe the retired officer would get in to any trouble at all.  He needs to expose this photo and all information pertaining to it.  He should do so via Simon McKay.  In my humble opinion.

[mike tesko]

But Mike, that doesn't answer my questions.  Does your reply not relate to a separate matter?  A photo of Sheila on the bed surely must represent exculpatory evidence?  Unless some argument could be put to gether that she was layed there after having been photographed upon the floor.

I do not believe the retired officer would get in to any trouble at all.  He needs to expose this photo and all information pertaining to it.  He should do so via Simon McKay.  In my humble opinion.

That is a matter for him, I can only hope to persuade him to do so, but he thinks Essex police will eventually have to admit to the existence of such photographs, and admit to giving police officers immunity from prosecution over the interference with the bodies at the scene, and  misuse of crime scene photographs which were taken after the body of Sheila had been stage managed. I think Jeremy already has uncovered evidence that there was some sort of immunity given to various police officers linked to this matter, but the retired police officer has told me that he wants Essex police to make a public statement about it...

[ngb1066]

Correct...

Jeremy has recently gone on record as saying that because of the new material obtained and presented as part of his CCRC application, he feels he no longer needs to get hold of a copy of the photograph of Sheila on the bed...His words, not mine...

When did Jeremy say that Mike?

[Roch]

That is a matter for him, I can only hope to persuade him to do so, but he thinks Essex police will eventually have to admit to the existence of such photographs, and admit to giving police officers immunity from prosecution over the interference with the bodies at the scene, and  misuse of crime scene photographs which were taken after the body of Sheila had been stage managed. I think Jeremy already has uncovered evidence that there was some sort of immunity given to various police officers linked to this matter, but the retired police officer has told me that he wants Essex police to make a public statement about it...

Your bloke sounds like he wants to go through the proper channels and he wants Essex Police to play cricket.  But this is the Bamber case Mike.  And since when in this case has the opposition played a fair or open game?

[mike tesko]

When did Jeremy say that Mike?

On one of the other websites which quoted a letter written by him, in his own handwriting...

He said that he had got something that was better than having the photograph of Sheila on the bed, and there was an exert from his letter confirming this...