Has your position changed?

[Chochokeira]

The silencer was not where it should be ? the relatives had no right to touch that item they should have left it right there as Keira says quite rightly they are not the law not then or now without that silencer JB would have remained a free man, if it was not used jb is innocent .

Exactly, Mertol. Five people died in that house in the most brutal manner. The police had no right to presume anything about those deaths. Their job was to conduct a meticulous investigation to determine what happened. It was not their job to leap to conclusions, even if the scene appeared to strongly suggest certain conclusions.

...unless, of course, they knew without a shadow of doubt what had happened at WHF.

[mertol22]

Its very unlikely the public will ever see the pictures of the deceased in full, that i can understand quite well, but i have based on what i have seen and im quite certain June recieved the worst of the shots that night, was there a struggle downstairs with Ralph,  why could he have not been beated after he died, if June recieved the worst of the shots then why ? was forcing the twins to kneel and pray with her anything to do with it.

[jon]

No, people are asking why the silencer wasnt found, i dont think they were looking for it because they thouight at the time that it hadnt been used.

Three policeman made statement's saying they searched the gun cupboard !!

[Chochokeira]

Its very unlikely the public will ever see the pictures of the deceased in full, that i can understand quite well, but i have based on what i have seen and im quite certain June recieved the worst of the shots that night, was there a struggle downstairs with Ralph,  why could he have not been beated after he died, if June recieved the worst of the shots then why ? was forcing the twins to kneel and pray with her anything to do with it.

Nevill seems to have been first shot upstairs, hence the extra bullet cases and blood on the stairwell wall. He was then shot downstairs. I doubt if Nevill put up much of a struggle as, from what I've read of people who have severe gunshot wounds, the strength drains out of them fairly quickly.

[Chochokeira]

Three policeman made statement's saying they searched the gun cupboard !!

Exactly, Jon. Which begs the question: why didn't they find it?

[jon]

Exactly, Jon. Which begs the question: why didn't they find it?

They never found it as it was not there !! It is not rocket science !

[mertol22]

The late of the night/1st hours of the morning would have slowed down any response, if the police were happy with 4 murders and a suicide why was the relatives not ? what prompted them to turn columbo ? of course it had nothing to do with the fact that in time Jeremy would have become very wealthy was it ? what deal was struck with mugford, these and other points keep me firmly in my view Jeremy did not kill his family. For Jeremy or anyone else finding someone more pretty than mugford would have not been any problem,far from it , but as soon as she is dumped everything changes.

[Chochokeira]

They never found it as it was not there !! It is not rocket science !

It's hard to reach any other conclusion, isn't it? Of course, EP claimed that the reason they failed to find the silencer was that they didn't really look inside the cupboard when they searched it. All three of them are supposed to have searched a gun cupboard at a murder scene yet not looked very hard...hmm.

[tonyb]

It's hard to reach any other conclusion, isn't it? Of course, EP claimed that the reason they failed to find the silencer was that they didn't really look inside the cupboard when they searched it. All three of them are supposed to have searched a gun cupboard at a murder scene yet not looked very hard...hmm.

Maybe it wasn't there when the police searched the scene
Maybe the murderer came back and replaced it after the search had been completed?

[Chochokeira]

Maybe it wasn't there when the police searched the scene
Maybe the murderer came back and replaced it after the search had been completed?

Okay, let's run with that.

You're the killer. You climb out of WHF's kitchen window, heart going like the clappers, run to the estuary and grab you mother's sit up beg bicycle that you left by the - crumbling, twisting, pot holed, well rained on and muddy - sea wall, strewn with clumps of grass the size of sleeping policemen.

Then you cycle like a bat out of hell...right over the edge of the sea wall onto the rocks below. When you come round the bike's had it, so you run the rest of the way home.

No..?

Okay, you walk home. Forget the fact that the police's own timing of how long this would take showed it would leave you impossibly short of time to call the police when you need to.

Unsurprisingly, it's not until the next day that you notice you left the silencer in the pocket of the trousers that you changed out of the previous night. Gawd, the police'll know she was murdered because the silencer's missing. So you wait until nightfall and return the silencer to WHF. You hide it well back in the gun cupboard.

But later, at home, you ask yourself, "Why did I do that? The police have already searched the place, they'll know Sheila was murdered, I have to get it back!"
So, off you again.

Or do you? Because part way there you're conflicted again. Should you take it, or should you leave it?

[vidvic]

It's hard to reach any other conclusion, isn't it? Of course, EP claimed that the reason they failed to find the silencer was that they didn't really look inside the cupboard when they searched it. All three of them are supposed to have searched a gun cupboard at a murder scene yet not looked very hard...hmm.

But they weren't looking for a silencer and it was boxed.

[andrea]

But they weren't looking for a silencer and it was boxed.

Thats what i said earlier Vic, the rifle was found on sheila with out silencer attached, so they wont look for it if they dont think it was used.

[grahameb]

This may be a dumb question but here goes...

When police wre called to WHF, they were led to believe shiela had gone crazy with a gun, when they stormed whf they found everyone dead, and shiela with the rifle without silencer attatched.

So why would they look for the silencer in the begining if they didnt think it was used?

Well, the point is they went to the gun cupboard. You could ask why they looked there in the first place? But they retrieved other items from the cupboard. One should ask why? It also goes to show that they had it right in the first place. It was the relatives that kept on and on about the silencer, not the police.

[Chochokeira]

But they weren't looking for a silencer and it was boxed.

Hi Vic,

Great to have you back.

Okay, you're the last of the officers to search the gun cupboard.

" 'Ere, Bonz, did you look in the boxes?"

" What boxes?"

" Bl**dy Nora, if you wan' a job done do it yourse....Ere, Bonz, there's silencer in this box. Better record it, eh?"

[grahameb]

The silencer was not where it should be ? the relatives had no right to touch that item they should have left it right there as Keira says quite rightly they are not the law not then or now without that silencer JB would have remained a free man, if it was not used jb is innocent .

We have yet to establish that it was found by the relatives or if it is just a false story that has been accepted and built upon?