Has your position changed?

[ngb1066]

I think you are slightly missing my point. I know SC was not on trial, but the judge said it was one or the other.

This is more a case of JB/SC, guilty/not guilty in the mind of the thinker, not a court process - if that makes sense?

If I was a juror and I was toying with the thought JB was not guilty by way of reasonable doubt, then I would have to believe SC did it - and that one in my mind is more difficult to believe imo.
This to me is part of the dilemma thrown up by this case.

If you had doubt about Jeremy's guilt that means you would think it is possible that Sheila was responsible.  You might also have reasonable doubt about Sheila.  You do not have to be sure Sheila was responsible to have a reasonable doubt about Jeremy.

 

[ngb1066]

sorry to bump this up, but if jeremy was freed on appeal, would the case have to be reopened?

No.

[andrea]

I saw your previous answer Neil, thanks.

[nugnug]

there is a slim chance that it could be neither of them.

[tonyb]

Listen to you lot! Where is your courage? Are you now so unsure because JB had a fair triai?
I have not changed my stance at all. I have never said that I am 100% of JBs innocense, but I will not change midtrack,
Try telling me that the extended family were not bias, and I will laugh in your face.
The buffoon has got to you. I will have none of it.
If the buffoon has no connection to the family how do you explain his in depth knowledge. and his passion in defending the family. The bufoon also has a habit of belittling any dissenters.
The high and mighty bafoon made my mind up yonks ago.

buddy that is simply not fair
Mikes not a buffoon

[Buddy]

buddy that is simply not fair
Mikes not a buffoon

I was not speaking of Mike tony. I was speaking of the true BUFFOON

[andrea]

there is a slim chance that it could be neither of them.

That is what i mean nugnug, if it isnt jb or sc, then the shooter should be brought to justice.

[tonyb]

I was not speaking of Mike tony. I was speaking of the true BUFFOON

many apologies to you both...

[ngb1066]

So would they just say" well sc did it then"? wouldnt it be in the public interest to find out who slaughtered this family? i find that shocking really.

The view would be that on the evidence it was probably either Jeremy or Sheila who was responsible and since Jeremy's conviction is unsafe and Sheila is dead there is nothing more which can be done to arrive at a conclusive answer.  Bear in mind that the new evidence may go further than simply establishing doubt about Jeremy's guilt.  It may actually be strongly suggestive of Sheila being responsible.

[andrea]

What are his chances of a refferal ngb, in your opinion?

[ngb1066]

there is a slim chance that it could be neither of them.

There is but after all the time which has passed it would be impossible to obtain any evidence about this.

[ngb1066]

What are his chances of a refferal ngb, in your opinion?

Good in my opinion.  I believe significant progress has been made in the last few weeks.

[mertol22]

That is what i mean nugnug, if it isnt jb or sc, then the shooter should be brought to justice.

Andrea many murderers are never caught some are found out too late after they have died, perhaps that person running away on that night can answer your question.

[bigpod]

I think:

There is no doubt significant doubt in the current conviction, therefore JB should have his conviction quashed.
To much water has gone under the bridge to have a fair retrial.
There are too many people with too much to lose to have a retrial.
Therefore CPS will not reprosecute.
JB will be technically innocent, but not in the eyes of many people.
EP/family will suggest "everyone knows who did it".
A rather messy court case will be dragged out over the inheritence.

Not a nice outcome, but I think it is approximately what we'll see.

[Chochokeira]

Anyone changed their minds on guilty / innocent by viewing the forum.

Twenty six years ago, when EP first suddenly dropped Sheila as the suspected murderer and charged Jeremy for killing his family, I recall watching the news reports of the case and feeling there was something most odd about the case. My family in D'Arcy and nearby villages told me at the time that they didn't believe that Jeremy had done it. My knowledge of the case was then insufficient to form an opinion, but I trusted my family's judgment. So I suppose I was a 'don't know', more inclined towards Jeremy's innocence than guilt.

Over the past year or two, however, I've begun reading about the case for my research into the Blackwater villages. I've become convinced by all that I've read that Jeremy has never had either a fair trial or a fair Appeal. That plays on my conscience, as I am part of the state and society that have kept Jeremy Bamber imprisoned for all of those years without ever allowing him what every member of our society has a right to: justice. I want justice for Jeremy, I want him to have a fair hearing and my views in this respect will not change.

Also, the more I read and learn of this case in the various books that are available and on this forum, the more convinced I become that Jeremy Bamber is innocent and the victim of one of the greatest miscarriages of justice of the past century.

So, yes, I've change from a being a confused 'don't know' to believing Jeremy is innocent.