Named members of the raid team - have they pulled the wool over our eyes?

[mike tesko]

Named members of the raid team - have they pulled the wool over our eyes?

Who were the actual police officers that went into whf at about 7:30am?

Have their identities been kept a closely guarded secret?

There are some who believe that details provided by members of the firearms team relate to the state of play, after a training exercise had taken place. An example which points to this having occurred, involves the fact that Sheila was only shot once when she was photographed on the bed...

If Sheila was photographed with only one shot whilst she was on the bed, how could the original raid team have found her body on the bedroom floor with two wounds to her throat?

[mike tesko]

Based on what is now known, I am not sure that we have to accept that PC Collins, PS Woodcock and the others were the first firearms team to enter whf that morning - these officers could be the ones who took part in the training exercise, or alternatively - these officers could have been the ones which did originally enter the farmhouse, and who went back in to carry out a training exercise once Sheila fled upstairs and was shot for the second time, in the bedroom...

Lets get to the bottom of this by asking members of the raid team to disclose their pocketbook entries and lets see when they got back to base?

[grahameb]

Based on what is now known, I am not sure that we have to accept that PC Collins, PS Woodcock and the others were the first firearms team to enter whf that morning - these officers could be the ones who took part in the training exercise, or alternatively - these officers could have been the ones which did originally enter the farmhouse, and who went back in to carry out a training exercise once Sheila fled upstairs and was shot for the second time, in the bedroom...

Lets get to the bottom of this by asking members of the raid team to disclose their pocketbook entries and lets see when they got back to base?

Well we all know how incompetent police fire arms teams are even today. The kill more innocents than guilty ones.
Mike where's the thread where you stated that there were two doctors called to the scene?

[Reader]

There are several such threads, such as here.

[tonyb]

Well we all know how incompetent police fire arms teams are even today. The kill more innocents than guilty ones.
Mike where's the thread where you stated that there were two doctors called to the scene?

Grahame, I think that's a little unrealistic. I'm sure they don't kill more innocents suspected of being guilty,than innocents who are innocent, if you get my drift. However I'm sure they Kill "innocent" people, but hindsight is a wonderfull thing. An"innocent" that was shot of late was JC de Menzies, and he was "correctly" shot on the instruction of a superior officer. I dont think calling police firearms teams incompetent is at all fair to be honest.

[Chochokeira]

Grahame, I think that's a little unrealistic. I'm sure they don't kill more innocents suspected of being guilty,than innocents who are innocent, if you get my drift. However I'm sure they Kill "innocent" people, but hindsight is a wonderfull thing. An"innocent" that was shot of late was JC de Menzies, and he was "correctly" shot on the instruction of a superior officer. I dont think calling police firearms teams incompetent is at all fair to be honest.

Hi tonby, I'm unsure what the highlighted sentence means, could you explain, please? Thanks.

[tonyb]

Hi tonby, I'm unsure what the highlighted sentence means, could you explain, please? Thanks.

JC de M was innocent. he was shot dead by firearms officers. they were correct to shot him dead on the instruction of a superior officer. the fact the descision to shoot him was incorrect does not make the actual actions of the firearms team incorrect. thats my belief anyway. I was trying to show an example that a firearms officer is just the last link in the chain.....

[Reader]

I don't recall that they were instructed specifically to shoot him. They certainly weren't instructed to keep on shooting him after he was already dead!

[Chochokeira]

JC de M was innocent. he was shot dead by firearms officers. they were correct to shot him dead on the instruction of a superior officer. the fact the descision to shoot him was incorrect does not make the actual actions of the firearms team incorrect. thats my belief anyway. I was trying to show an example that a firearms officer is just the last link in the chain.....

Thanks for clarifying that.

[mike tesko]

Well we all know how incompetent police fire arms teams are even today. The kill more innocents than guilty ones.
Mike where's the thread where you stated that there were two doctors called to the scene?

It was David Shaw who sent me an email about the presence of a doctor Harris at the scene, and when I asked him for more details, Shaw simply said that I didn't need to know any more about the role Doctor Harris played at the scene...

[Roch]

It was David Shaw who sent me an email about the presence of a doctor Harris at the scene, and when I asked him for more details, Shaw simply said that I didn't need to know any more about the role Doctor Harris played at the scene...

And have you any idea what Shaw meant by making such a remark?

[mike tesko]

And have you any idea what Shaw meant by making such a remark?

He wouldn't tell me...

[Roch]

He wouldn't tell me...

Yeah I gathered that.  I just wondered why.

[mike tesko]

Yeah I gathered that.  I just wondered why.

I used to think it had something to do with the need for two doctors to be present to section off Sheila under the mental health act, if she had been captured alive, but I now believe that Dr Harris was called out after Sheila was shot for the second time and that his identity is being kept secret in the same way the training exercise which took place inside the farmhouse involving the bodies of the victims in situ, panned out?

[mike tesko]

I used to think it had something to do with the need for two doctors to be present to section off Sheila under the mental health act, if she had been captured alive, but I now believe that Dr Harris was called out after Sheila was shot for the second time and that his identity is being kept secret in the same way the training exercise which took place inside the farmhouse involving the bodies of the victims in situ, panned out?

I would be interested to know if there were any local doctors with the surname Harris, who could have been called out on the morning in question?