significance of long delay between both shots...

[HMEssex]

Do not rely on your knowledge then.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/KILLER+BAMBER%27S+BROKEN+BOTTLE+JAIL+ATTACK.-a061330122

The fight, then, was a reactive response. 

This, together with the knife attack he suffered, is a good reminder of the type of environment in which Jeremy has been living in for 26 years.

We wonder how he manages to cope after all these years.  It must be hell.

[grahameb]

I'm not admitting or denying anything, I, along with a few others were simply discussing an aspect of the case, stop acting like a clown.

Type something like 'survived being shot in head' or 'survived being shot in head by .22', into google and you will immediately see that you are inaccurate with your aggressive 'bol***' (your word) post.

And again, it doesn't matter, it was not an important part of what was being discussed.

With regards to Sheila, I have no idea, I wasn't there, however Mike informed us all some 10 months ago that there wasn't much of a gap between shots as per the pathologists trial evidence, yet he is now saying that isn't true and there was a long delay. Either way around, he is telling you fibs, either now, or 10 months ago.

I got shot in the arm with a .22. I certainly hopped around a bit I can tell you. Bloody 'urts.

[grahameb]

Again, another post which you manage to make yourself look stupid without any input from me.

I think you'll find that it was the very imput from you that caused that reaction. Shall we try your theory about surviving a headshot from a .22? Volunteer?

[grahameb]

I was listening to a song the other day which I think sums up this forum beautifully at times. I'm aiming this at myself but applies to many others on here, you need to listen to the words though.

A lack of Understanding - By the Vaccines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYLpDeSxBac

Strangely a song called Wetsuit is later on the album. 

Followed by "on yer bike" I suppose?

[mike tesko]

Here are the wto entry wounds which Peter Venezis was talking about, the lower one has a bruise around it indicating that the bullet which caused this did not kill her...

[sc82]

The number of shots fired in the twins' bedroom was far more than necessary to ensure death.  They were both asleep (fortunately) and were shot in the head at point blank range.  A single shot each would have been sufficient, two at most would have been used in an "execution style" killing.  In my opinion the way in which the twins were shot can only be described as frenzied overkill.

Thanks Neil, thats exactly the point I was trying to make but you've put it much better than I could!

[mike tesko]

Here's a closure look at the bruising around the lower entry wound on her neck:-

[mike tesko]

Here's a closure look at the upper fatal wound minus any bruising:-

[mike tesko]

The pathologist stated that there was a delay between both of these wounds being inflicted, and that the former (lower wound) did not kill Sheila, but the latter (under chin) did...

He also testified to the effect that once the fatal shot had been fired it would have been possible for Sheila to walk around, although he said there was no evidence of vertical blood staining on her nightdress to back this up...

[mike tesko]

The second under the chin shot took place after Sheila was photographed on the bed with only one wound to her neck. The police surgeon, Dr Craig, and PI 'Bob@ Miller confirmed that Sheila only had one wound when they viewed her body at 8:44am, a fact confirmed by the contents of their respective witness statements...

What was that about the contents of witness statements being more reliable and powerful than crime scene photographs?

[sc82]

Mike, is it possible that its not bruising - could it be some of kind of gun shot residue or other mark from the gun? I'm just curious.

[tyler]

Yes,I have always thought that looks like "rim burn" around the lower wound.

[sc82]

It just doesn't look like a bruise to me 

[mike tesko]

That is how the pathologist described it when he testified during the 1986 trial...

"Bruising" around the lower entry wound...

[Newbury1]

From Choc - "Others have compellingly argued that those poor little boys were murdered with a frenzied arc of shots and in a manner which suggests overkill - the sort of overkill that parents who kill their children indulge in."

Frenzied and arc don't go together IMO.

It was either frenzied or arc.

In a frenzied attack I would expect shots all over the head and / or body.

The arc to me indicates a controlled act, and has been referred to months ago on the forum as a more execution style of shooting!

And the term "overkill" can apply to anyone wanting to make sure death was quick and final.

Quote from: ngb1066 on January 19, 2012, 06:02:PM
I disagree, for the reasons I posted months ago.  The movement of the rifle barrel in an arc is the natural way in which it would tend to move in the hands of someone inexperienced firing shots in rapid succession.

The number of shots fired in the twins' bedroom was far more than necessary to ensure death.  They were both asleep (fortunately) and were shot in the head at point blank range.  A single shot each would have been sufficient, two at most would have been used in an "execution style" killing.  In my opinion the way in which the twins were shot can only be described as frenzied overkill.

okay, but I think this is a moment when we can agree to disagree on this point as I believe neither of us are experts in execution style or frenzied killings - I hope!

But whilst making that last comment has "an expert" ever commented on this subject??

ngb (or anyone) do you have an answer to the point highlighted in red?