Police received screaming and ranting responses from inside farmhouse

[jon]

Erm, but, but, but ............... really?

Care to explain your response below then?

Are we not talking of two different thing's here ? One a manuscript , the other communication's ?

[Hartley]

Stop laughing hartley.

Sorry, it's not attractive I know. 

[grahameb]

Sorry, it's not attractive I know. 

Sorry but I had to reluctantly admire your response there. Remind me not to play chess with you.

[Newbury1]

Which room in the house was sheila in when she was allegedly screaming and carrying on?

Keep going Andrea (as it your second time of asking) 

Unfortunately you are up against some bigger ego's at the moment 

[Hartley]

Are we not talking of two different thing's here ? One a manuscript , the other communication's ?

No Jon, unless you would like to point out to me where it is stated in the manuscript that Sheila was screaming and ranting. 

It's a fib, pure and simple, not a particularly important one, and not a hanging offence, but it is a fib nonetheless.

[Hartley]

Keep going Andrea (as it your second time of asking) 

Unfortunately you are up against some bigger ego's at the moment 

Yes sorry, I'll bow out for a bit. 

[tyler]

I would like to clarify something about what David Shaw told me about the presence of a Dr Harris at the scene - he never actually said at what stage he was there. However, I am led to believe that Harris did not attend the scene until after Sheila was fatally wounded by the shot under the chin, which did not occur until after the police surgeon, Dr Craig had left the scene...

Dr Harris attended Sheilas body in the bedroom and pronounced her as being dead at the scene at about 9.30am, some 46 minutes after Dr Craig had originally pronounced her as being dead, at a time when she only had a solitary wound on her throat...

Mike...........are you absolutely certain that there was a Dr.Harris at the scene? Only,there was a Chief Superintendent Harris there that was comforting Jeremy before Dr.Craig could see to him.

[mike tesko]

Which room in the house was sheila in when she was allegedly screaming and carrying on?

In or around kitchen...

[ngb1066]

There are lots of things discussed between shaw and myself which is not published as part of, “ An Innocent Man"...

Mike   -  Is David Shaw still involved with the case in any way?  Are you still in contact with him?

[vidvic]

Mike,

any chance of an answer?

First question.......

Mike, How did 'Z' manage to get a photo of Sheila on the bed with only one wound?

It says here that she was never attended by any officer between running from the kitchen to the bedroom.

He must have photographed her killing herself.

[vidvic]

I suppose the obvious question is who would you rather believe? Shaw or 'Z'?

[tonyb]

Ive never read so much crap,claim,counterclaim,goading and abuse in a thread.I know it's getting close to Zero hour ,so to speak,but i think the abuse and bullshit ought to calm down a little. I'm not going to elaborate on exactly whats bullshit in this thread,i haven't time or inclination to be honest

[mike tesko]

Mike   -  Is David Shaw still involved with the case in any way?  Are you still in contact with him?

I passed information onto Jeremy, including a copy of his manuscript and our shared emails, and I was asked to leave it in Jeremy`s hands, which is what I did. Not to be overlooked is the fact that Jeremy was wanting to be in control of any and everything to do with his case, including only relying upon a couple of points in a bid to persuade the CCRC to refer his case to the court of appeal? Jeremy was obviously extremely interested in the contents of Shaws manuscript, but stated that he wanted to obtain evidence from the withheld pii material, utilising the freedom of information, before he presented anything to the CCRC,  which as I understand it, such efforts to gain access to such material has only partially successful, Essex police continue to deliberately frustrate Jeremy`s cause. I have not been in touch with David Shaw as a result of Jeremy telling me to leave it in his hands, although I have deliberately sought to look into issues raised in the manuscript, something which I have continued to do right up to the present day. I am no longer in direct contact with him, although I know he will have dropping into the forum from time to time monitoring developments and progress...

[andrea]

I suppose the obvious question is who would you rather believe? Shaw or 'Z'?

if i HAVE to believe in one of them, it would be Shaw, he exists at least.

[ngb1066]

I passed information onto Jeremy, including a copy of his manuscript and our shared emails, and I was asked to leave it in Jeremy`s hands, which is what I did. Not to be overlooked is the fact that Jeremy was wanting to be in control of any and everything to do with his case, including only relying upon a couple of points in a bid to persuade the CCRC to refer his case to the court of appeal? Jeremy was obviously extremely interested in the contents of Shaws manuscript, but stated that he wanted to obtain evidence from the withheld pii material, utilising the freedom of information, before he presented anything to the CCRC,  which as I understand it, such efforts to gain access to such material has only partially successful, Essex police continue to deliberately frustrate Jeremy`s cause. I have not been in touch with David Shaw as a result of Jeremy telling me to leave it in his hands, although I have deliberately sought to look into issues raised in the manuscript, something which I have continued to do right up to the present day. I am no longer in direct contact with him, although I know he will have dropping into the forum from time to time monitoring developments and progress...

Thanks Mike.  I hope Jeremy's team followed this up.  It does seem as if David Shaw managed to get  information from police officers involved and many of his conclusions tie in directly with information which came to light after he wrote his manuscript.