Police received screaming and ranting responses from inside farmhouse

[vidvic]

Yes Graham, everything i've ever seen taken from the morning was filmed from opposite pages lane.

[mike tesko]

I would like to clarify something about what David Shaw told me about the presence of a Dr Harris at the scene - he never actually said at what stage he was there. However, I am led to believe that Harris did not attend the scene until after Sheila was fatally wounded by the shot under the chin, which did not occur until after the police surgeon, Dr Craig had left the scene...

Dr Harris attended Sheilas body in the bedroom and pronounced her as being dead at the scene at about 9.30am, some 46 minutes after Dr Craig had originally pronounced her as being dead, at a time when she only had a solitary wound on her throat...

[vidvic]

I would like to clarify something about what David Shaw told me about the presence of a Dr Harris at the scene - he never actually said at what stage he was there. However, I am led to believe that Harris did not attend the scene until after Sheila was fatally wounded by the shot under the chin, which did not occur until after the police surgeon, Dr Craig had left the scene...

Dr Harris attended Sheilas body in the bedroom and pronounced her as being dead at the scene at about 9.30am, some 46 minutes after Dr Craig had originally pronounced her as being dead, at a time when she only had a solitary wound on her throat...

Why not just ask 'Z' ?? If he took a picture of her on the bed with only one shot to her neck, there's a fair chance he was there when she was shot by the police. David Shaw should be able to confirm all this from the raid team members he's spoken to, but didn't feel that Sheila running around the house screaming and shouting was significant enough to include in his unpublished work.

[Roch]

Why not just ask 'Z' ?? If he took a picture of her on the bed with only one shot to her neck, there's a fair chance he was there when she was shot by the police. David Shaw should be able to confirm all this from the raid team members he's spoken to, but didn't feel that Sheila running around the house screaming and shouting was significant enough to include in his unpublished work.

If Shaw is indeed genuine, it could be possible that he was given a sanitised version of events, for reasons known only to those who proffered the info.

[vidvic]

Another point Mike.       David Shaw wrote this unpublished work how many years ago?

So, not only did he think Sheila being alive, insignificant... !!!!!!! .... But you yourself failed to mention it either?? Certainly not in these terms....

[mike tesko]

There are lots of things discussed between shaw and myself which is not published as part of, “ An Innocent Man"...

[vidvic]

If Shaw is indeed genuine, it could be possible that he was given a sanitised version of events, for reasons known only to those who proffered the info.

Mike said earlier in the thread that Shaw had been told about the shouting and screaming by members of the police he's spoken to.....but surely this isn't true, otherwise he would have included it in his piece.

Do you not agree Roch, that there's a fair chance 'Z' was there at the time? With his Box brownie.....

[Hartley]

Another point Mike.       David Shaw wrote this unpublished work how many years ago?

So, not only did he think Sheila being alive, insignificant... !!!!!!! .... But you yourself failed to mention it either?? Certainly not in these terms....

Well there are emails from 2006.
I think if you read some of these it sheds a little more light on all of this, what it also shows quite clearly is that this is not based on any evidence. It would also appear that Mike actually has very few of his own theories. 

[Hartley]

Remaining pages:

[mike tesko]

The contents of Shaws manuscript was brought to the attention of Jeremy and those representing his interests at that time, including Sheila screaming and carrying on, being the reason why police did not storm the farmhouse earlier, and the presence of Dr Harris at the scene. I have emails and correspondence from that era to confirm everything I am saying, it doesn`t phase me one bit there are some numpty`s out to cause trouble, good luck to the numpty`s who wouldn`t know the truth even if it hit them in the face...

[Hartley]

The contents of Shaws manuscript was brought to the attention of Jeremy and those representing his interests at that time, including Sheila screaming and carrying on, being the reason why police did not storm the farmhouse earlier, and the presence of Dr Harris at the scene. I have emails and correspondence from that era to confirm everything I am saying, it doesn`t phase me one bit there are some numpty`s out to cause trouble, good luck to the numpty`s who wouldn`t know the truth even if it hit them in the face...

Erm, but, but, but ............... really?

Care to explain your response below then?

[Hartley]

Bugger, I hate it when that happens! 

[andrea]

Which room in the house was sheila in when she was allegedly screaming and carrying on?

[vidvic]

First question.......

Mike, How did 'Z' manage to get a photo of Sheila on the bed with only one wound?

It says here that she was never attended by any officer between running from the kitchen to the bedroom.

He must have photographed her killing herself.

[grahameb]

Bugger, I hate it when that happens! 

Stop laughing hartley.