Was Silencer fitted to gun resting at main bedroom Window?

[bb2010]

These are very similar markings on the lower arm/wrist of both people. Could they have been inflicted by a third party?

If there was a third party, perhaps that person would be looking to forcefully move Ralph and Sheila into the position/room that they want them in. The person would have needed a firm grip, probably breaking the skin, maybe even twisting Sheila and Ralph's arm behind their backs. Imagine that scenario, and look at the pictures again.

Or imagine the huge fight that took place, where the only damage Ralph managed to do to Sheila was gouge marks on one wrist, which almost match his. Bit of a strange fight that really.

Perhaps the third person was holding a gun in their right hand? Using their left hand to control their victims. Perhaps not, it's only speculation.

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

These are very similar markings on the lower arm/wrist of both people. Could they have been inflicted by a third party?

If there was a third party, perhaps that person would be looking to forcefully move Ralph and Sheila into the position/room that they want them in. The person would have needed a firm grip, probably breaking the skin, maybe even twisting Sheila and Ralph's arm behind their backs. Imagine that scenario, and look at the pictures again.

Or imagine the huge fight that took place, where the only damage Ralph managed to do to Sheila was gouge marks on one wrist, which almost match his. Bit of a strange fight that really.

Perhaps the third person was holding a gun in their right hand? Using their left hand to control their victims. Perhaps not, it's only speculation.

But the post mortems said that the gouge marks on Neville and Sheila were made by fingernails of different lengths, so surely that would mean they could not have been inflicted by a single third party. To go down the road you are suggesting we would then be talking about a fourth party and is that really possible or plausible?

[bb2010]

My post was mere speculation. I haven't seen the report relating to the length of fingernails. Did that report tell us about what was under Ralph or Sheila's fingernails?

[Sparkfilms]

Yeah, the fingernail lengths add much doubt about the conviction.

The post mortems also came up with different results in terms of stomach contents of five victims. It appeared that Shelia was up and about many hours after the others went to bed. She seems to have had some kind of snack = probably well after midnight.

By the way, and I'm not sure if this is the place for it, but my book about the Suffolk Serial Murders ( Ipswich Zero 6 ) was released yesterday, and I have a deep interest in this case too.

I'm 7 months into the research and I'm still of a very open mind. If anything, I tend to believe it was easier for Shelia to have killed the others. It really is the most amazing case.

I have friends who were in Essex Police ( I live in Colchester ) in the mid eighties and they have never really felt comfortable discussing WHF, and so I've not really pushed them on things.

I'm very concerned about the paint issue re. Aga / silencer etc. I wish someone from the police would give us their version. Was it a plant? It certainly seems possible to me that it was.

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Mike is this the rifle and the position of rifle as stated being seen by a police officer from out side of white house farm  were they up a ladder,what time was it these photo's  were taken and what time was sun rise on 7th august 1985 is that window partially open,would you agree that if there is a moderator on that rifle and it is OEM its quite a long

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31Gr19l64Kw:- Yes, a firearms instructor, WPC Julia Jeapes, reported that she could see what she believed was a rifle that was leaning up against the bedroom window, prior to her observing the raid team making its approach to the farmhouse, with a view of forcing an entry into the premises. WPC Jeapes was amongst a group of ten (10) firearms officers who arrived at the scene at 7am, along with two ambulances and their crews - she was deployed into the grounds around whf and she made that important observation at about 7:15am...

Bedroom window (fanlight) was partially open before police entered the building at around 7:30am...

If Silencer is fitted to the gun in the picture, of course this would extend the length of the rifles barrel, by six inches  - I am posting some images to show how an exact replica weapon with a silencer, could have been used by Sheila to shoot herself by use of it, so configured, despite the fact that during Jeremy's trial the prosecution alleged that with a silencer fitted to the guns barrel, the overall length of the weapon, so configured would have been much too long to allow Sheila an opportunity to kill herself by use of it, even if she had wanted to...

Experiments conducted in 2003, establish that the weapon with a silencer attached to the end of its barrel could have been used by Sheila to shoot herself, contrary to what the court was told by the prosecutions expert witnesses - in my opinion, the court was deceived over this point...

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Mike, these reconstruction photos are very interesting. Remember the fleck of red paint found in the kitchen that was matched exactly to Sheila's toenail polish? Maybe she inflicted the non-fatal shot on herself in the kitchen by pulling the trigger with her toe, as demonstrated is possible, and chipped her nail polish doing this.
Sorry if this point has already been made. I only started following the case on Monday and haven't managed to read everything on the site yet!