Marks on Sheila`s right forearm consistant with her being in a struggle...

[mike tesko]

Those marks on her forearm certainly to have the appearance of finger marks as if someone had grabbed her with some force?

Yes, those marks were made during a struggle between Sheila and Ralph Bamber, who was trying to overpower her and prevent her from firing the gun, or loading more bullets into the gun, or as the case may be, at the time she terminated the telephone call that Ralph was making to Jeremy...

[mike tesko]

Does anyone have any idea what caused this gap in the bloodied finger marks?

Telephone cable/lead is what caused that gap amongst the bloodied fingermarks on Sheila's nightdress - these came about when Sheila terminated the call that Ralph was making to Jeremy and it was at that time that a struggle ensued and the cable from the telephone got trapped between somebodies bloodied fingers, and the nightdress...

This is direct evidence that Sheila was in the kitchen at some point, and that she was involved in a struggle with someone who was almost certainly Ralph, around, during or immediately after Ralph made the call to Jeremy...

[mike tesko]

So far...

The bloodied fingers that made these gouge marks, and bloodied impressions on her right forearm, and the bloodied finger marks on the front right lower part of her nightdress, appear to be consistent with Sheila having been engaged in some sort of a struggle with another person at the scene before her death...

If such a struggle took place, what are the chances of Sheila scratching and damaging that other person in some way?

Furthermore...

Does any evidence exist that any of the victims had such injuries which they may have sustained at the time of such a purported struggle?

[grahameb]

(ref: ms4.jpg) there is what seems to be blood at the base of the thumb which in turn appears to extend round onto the palm area?

[mike tesko]

If the other person who struggled with Sheila was Ralph Bamber, were these injuries caused by Sheila fighting back?

I am interested in wound 8, for the purpose of these arguments:-

What we have here, is a wound to Ralph Bambers left arm, which would have caused blood to run down onto the fingers of his left hand. It is my suggestion that blood from this wound produced some of the bloodied/smeared fingermarks on Sheila's forearm, and the front right hand side of her nightdress, and the edge of the kitchen worktop...

[mike tesko]

What I am saying happened is:-

Ralph made marks upon Sheila. and Sheila made marks upon Ralph, and that these injuries and marks are consistent with them having struggled and fought together over the control of the gun, ammunition and or the telephone in the kitchen at whf...

[mike tesko]

Now...

There will be some amongst you who will try to argue that none of this is evidence, or whatever nonsense they might come up with, but the stark truth of the matter is that there are marks on Sheila, and marks on Ralph, which are consistent with them both having struggled together at some stage, and more importantly, an impression set into the bloodied finger marks on the front lower right of Sheila's nightdress of the telephone cable trapped between the bloodied fingers and the nightdress, which is capable of bringing home to fact that there was such a struggle between Ralph and Sheila, and that this struggle weas set amongst the backdrop of the shootings...

[mike tesko]

We also have bloodied fingermarks on the pages of the bible...

[mike tesko]

So many bloodied fingermarks, all over the place, yet for some reason Essex police do not seek to identify the person who made them, or in  who's blood they were/are made in?

Think about it...

Bloodied fingermarks on Sheila's right forearm, on the top part of her right hand, on the front right lower part of her nightdress, on the edge of the kitchen worktop, and on the pages of the bible...

What is it that they didn't want us to find out about?

[grahameb]

The more I look at those photographs the more I believe Jeremy is innocent. There were absolutely no injuries or marks on him and as the antis like to constantly remind us. Ralph was a powerful bloke and so you would expect his assailant to have incurred some kind of injury from a struggle. And it simply is not true that Sheila had no marks on her. Her arm certainly looked bruised as if it was being held forcefully at one stage?

[mike tesko]

To also be added to the mysterious list of strategically positioned bloodied finger marks are the ones around the upperatal entry wound under the chin?

[mike tesko]

Looking at it from another angle, we have all the bloodied fingermarks all over the place, and not a shred of evidence to suggest they could have been made by anyone other than Ralph, June or Sheila...

[grahameb]

What I am saying happened is:-

Ralph made marks upon Sheila. and Sheila made marks upon Ralph, and that these injuries and marks are consistent with them having struggled and fought together over the control of the gun, ammunition and or the telephone in the kitchen at whf...

Which have been wrongly interpreted by some to have gotten there when Jeremy struggled with her. Amazing isn't it? That in one breath they say she has no marks of a struggle and in the next breath they say that the marks were made by Jeremy. Not much consistency in the anti camp is there Mike.

[smiffy]

So far...

The bloodied fingers that made these gouge marks, and bloodied impressions on her right forearm, and the bloodied finger marks on the front right lower part of her nightdress, appear to be consistent with Sheila having been engaged in some sort of a struggle with another person at the scene before her death...

If such a struggle took place, what are the chances of Sheila scratching and damaging that other person in some way?

Furthermore...

Does any evidence exist that any of the victims had such injuries which they may have sustained at the time of such a purported struggle?

Time to kill this line as it is all wrong.
It will do no good persuing a line that does not fit at all with what is depicted as it will only distract from the truth.

There are no gouge marks on Sheila's arm. What is seen is blood trails only....and these seem to all be sourced from Sheila's bloodied palm.

The handprint on Sheila's nightdress was made be Sheila's own right hand. The gap in the print is very likely due to their being a fold/crease in the fabric when the print was made.


So there is no evidence someone inflicted injuries on Sheilas' arm so any scenario has to take account of this.

[Buddy]

Time to kill this line as it is all wrong.
It will do no good persuing a line that does not fit at all with what is depicted as it will only distract from the truth.

There are no gouge marks on Sheila's arm. What is seen is blood trails only....and these seem to all be sourced from Sheila's bloodied palm.

The handprint on Sheila's nightdress was made be Sheila's own right hand. The gap in the print is very likely due to their being a fold/crease in the fabric when the print was made.


So there is no evidence someone inflicted injuries on Sheilas' arm so any scenario has to take account of this.

exactly what I think Smiffy.