Best kept secret - for 26 years police kept silent about footpribt photographed

[Hartley]

Box 5 / BD Metal threaded ring
Would that be an end-cap for a rifle?

could well be.

what I also find interesting is "6X photo albums of silencers "

silencers in PLURAL..so they cover more than one silencer!

I noticed that but it was not the plural reference that stuck out, it was the number of potential photographs.

Are you aware that the lab carried out various experiments on 4 other (non-related) identical control sound moderators, to get an idea of how different blood would interact and mix and how far it might extend into the sound moderator.

The use of a plural is worth a look, but hardly much to go on.

I have not heard of this before.  Was evidence about this presented at the trial?  I find the information that photographs were taken of silencers very interesting, because I do not believe these have been disclosed to the defence.

I don't know whether evidence was presented at trial or about photographs.

The bit about the 4 control silencers is below, but I don't know what the document extract is from.

[Roch]

Well, that might be the content of the '6 albums'. 

[Hartley]

Well, that might be the content of the '6 albums'.

Or it might not be. 

[smiffy]

Box 5 / BD Metal threaded ring
Would that be an end-cap for a rifle?

could well be.

what I also find interesting is "6X photo albums of silencers "

silencers in PLURAL..so they cover more than one silencer!

I noticed that but it was not the plural reference that stuck out, it was the number of potential photographs.

Are you aware that the lab carried out various experiments on 4 other (non-related) identical control sound moderators, to get an idea of how different blood would interact and mix and how far it might extend into the sound moderator.

The use of a plural is worth a look, but hardly much to go on.

2 things...

1/ If true then its shows by the use of "control" items the forensic labs knew the value of having control samples and that certain tests without control samples are basically useless. Thus their failure to report the testing of head and control samples in regards to the gunshot residue tests on Sheila and invalid and meaningless as no baseline from the control and background head swabs to work from.

2/ If true ....."different blood" element of Hartley's claim  sounds rather wierd indeed and  any such tests would undermine the prosecutions contentions.
If it required muzzle contact or near muzzle contact with the victim when fired to produce backspatter into the silencers it suggests the claims of Fletcher that the rifle was shot from more then 2 feet away in regards to wounds on June and Ralph are not sound. There would be no point in carrying out tests that were totally irrelevant. Thus the claims of Fletcher are undermined if they even thought of carrying out these tests.

[smiffy]

Look at the date on the second sheet

8/9/88.
clearly after trial.

the tests seem as mickey mouse as it can get and totally irrelevant ...dripping blood into silencers will not be representative at all of backspatter.

[Hartley]

Can I just say I haven't made any claims at all, I've been particularly candid with what I have posted.

Thank you.

[Blodwynflower]

Informant told me that Sheila's footprint was photographed in Ralph's blood on kitchen floor, and that police were satisfied that Sheila shot and killed Ralph in the kitchen. he also told me that police took other similar photographs along the route which Sheila took when she regained consciousness and fled upstairs before she died in the main bedroom...

COLP had access to these pictures in 1991...


So could the items placed on the floor to soak up the blood actually be covering the existence of footprints? Or were they elsewhere in the kitchen?
Patti, this may be of interest to you, with regard to you thread entited "White towel and cushions, who put them there"

At least two footprints belonging to Sheila were photographed in the vicinity of the coal bucket inside which Ralphs head ended up, and another two on the carpet in the downstairs office where the gun cupboard is situated, and further footprints along the route Sheila took leading to the bedroom where she was eventually shot and killed...

[Blodwynflower]

Apologies, I've posted my comment with an existing comment.

Patti, I hope you can decipher, I'm too tired to correct it.....!!

[jim ignatowski]

Well, it certainly appears to be the case that there is a photograph of a footprint. I am prepared to assume that it is a photograph taken in the kitchen depicting a footprint in Ralph's blood. But, I am (at least currently) not prepared to assume or accept that the footprint was made by Sheila. Indeed, the photographs of Sheila on the bedroom floor do not show any blood at all on either of her feet. So, who cleaned the blood from Sheila's foot? Presumably Mike, you would say that EP cleaned the blood from Sheila's foot? This theory is quite ridiculous but I suppose that it is no more ridiculous than the theory that Sheila herself, having killed 4 persons, engaged in some form of ritual cleansing of her foot/feet.

[mike tesko]

Well, it certainly appears to be the case that there is a photograph of a footprint. I am prepared to assume that it is a photograph taken in the kitchen depicting a footprint in Ralph's blood. But, I am (at least currently) not prepared to assume or accept that the footprint was made by Sheila. Indeed, the photographs of Sheila on the bedroom floor do not show any blood at all on either of her feet. So, who cleaned the blood from Sheila's foot? Presumably Mike, you would say that EP cleaned the blood from Sheila's foot? This theory is quite ridiculous but I suppose that it is no more ridiculous than the theory that Sheila herself, having killed 4 persons, engaged in some form of ritual cleansing of her foot/feet.

Why not consider the possibility that the footprint in Ralph's blood in the kitchen was made by his wife, June Bamber, why does the footprint have to have been made by Sheila, and no-one else?

[jim ignatowski]

Because your first post says in express terms that your informant told you that SHEILA'S footprint was photographed in Ralph's blood !!!!

[mike tesko]

Because your first post says in express terms that your informant told you that SHEILA'S footprint was photographed in Ralph's blood !!!!

Very good observation...

[bloggs and son]

Informant told me that Sheila's footprint was photographed in Ralph's blood on kitchen floor, and that police were satisfied that Sheila shot and killed Ralph in the kitchen. he also told me that police took other similar photographs along the route which Sheila took when she regained consciousness and fled upstairs before she died in the main bedroom...

COLP had access to these pictures in 1991...


So could the items placed on the floor to soak up the blood actually be covering the existence of footprints? Or were they elsewhere in the kitchen?


At least two footprints belonging to Sheila were photographed in the vicinity of the coal bucket inside which Ralphs head ended up, and another two on the carpet in the downstairs office where the gun cupboard is situated, and further footprints along the route Sheila took leading to the bedroom where she was eventually shot and killed...

Hi Mike, where did you get this information about the footprints from?