The Role of DCI "Terry" Gibbons, at the scene - 7th August 1985...

[mike tesko]

Witness Statement of DCI "Terry" Gibbons...

The role played by DCI Clarke, at the scene has yet to be looked into...

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[Reader]

Why are you referring to this officer as a DCI with name Terry, when the form he completed clearly shows he's a Chief Inspector, not a Detective Chief Inspector, and his name is Terrie, not Terry. It's reasonable to assume he knows his own rank and name! Similarly, it's Chief Inspector Clark, not DCI Clarke.

[mike tesko]

Why are you referring to this officer as a DCI with name Terry, when the form he completed clearly shows he's a Chief Inspector, not a Detective Chief Inspector, and his name is Terrie, not Terry. It's reasonable to assume he knows his own rank and name! Similarly, it's Chief Inspector Clark, not DCI Clarke.

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Both are / were Detectives, not uniform officers...

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Why are you referring to this officer as a DCI with name Terry, when the form he completed clearly shows he's a Chief Inspector, not a Detective Chief Inspector, and his name is Terrie, not Terry. It's reasonable to assume he knows his own rank and name! Similarly, it's Chief Inspector Clark, not DCI Clarke.

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Both are / were Detectives, not uniform officers...

you'd think they could type a form properly that didn't say (Inspector) when they meant Chief Inspector too!

[smiffy]

What is most striking to me about Gibbons evidence is this

There I saw an elderly male with his trousers partly down seated with his head slumped forward.

Gibbons ..being one of the officers to go in not long after the firearms team had entered.
If we go with the CCRC claims...of treating spoken evidence as being better than pictures then the kitchen scenes fall to be staged .....

Going with this ...ie Ralph not getting knocked off the chair when the door into the kitchen was opened...then how did he get from the seated position to the slumped position.
It seems to me that he was placed. A fall would likely produce damage to Ralphs body and no damage consistent with a fall after death was noted by the pathologist.

It is to be noted that all 6 shots to Ralphs head ...three pairs of shots  and his seated position are consistent with no significant movement of Ralphs head when all were delivered...ie  he did not fall.
This suggests he was unconscious when these shots were delivered.
I discount the locations of bullet cases fully as they are misleading. If Ralps had any bullet wounds other than the arm wounds when not in the kitchen then a marked  blood trail would have been almost certainly present.

[Roch]

What is most striking to me about Gibbons evidence is this

There I saw an elderly male with his trousers partly down seated with his head slumped forward.

Gibbons ..being one of the officers to go in not long after the firearms team had entered.
If we go with the CCRC claims...of treating spoken evidence as being better than pictures then the kitchen scenes fall to be staged .....

Going with this ...ie Ralph not getting knocked off the chair when the door into the kitchen was opened...then how did he get from the seated position to the slumped position.
It seems to me that he was placed. A fall would likely produce damage to Ralphs body and no damage consistent with a fall after death was noted by the pathologist.

It is to be noted that all 6 shots to Ralphs head ...three pairs of shots  and his seated position are consistent with no significant movement of Ralphs head when all were delivered...ie  he did not fall.
This suggests he was unconscious when these shots were delivered.
I discount the locations of bullet cases fully as they are misleading. If Ralps had any bullet wounds other than the arm wounds when not in the kitchen then a marked  blood trail would have been almost certainly present.

Strange for a police statement to corroborate the official place and position of Sheila's body, yet contradict the position of Ralph? 

[smiffy]

Maybe Gibbons thought better to tell the truth about Ralph as he probably felt if was so obviously staged that people would eventually twig onto the fact and he could end up in deep shit!!!by spouting the cover up story.

[smiffy]

In regards to Gibbons;;;
He describes no injuries in regards to Ralph.
He describes gunshot wounds(plural) to the head for the twin boys.
He describes gunshot wounds(plural) to the chest of June.
FOR SHEILA he mentions only a  wound (singular) ...this is odd as not only did he tour the first time we entered the house but he claims to view the bodies again with the doctor there.

first tour of house approx 8.20am maybe entering a few minutes before.
second tour of house with doctor Craig at .8.40am.

[smiffy]

The logs mention Harris using the landline at 8.20 am and we know Gibbons and Montgomery were with him at this time.
This must be when Gibbons first sees Ralphs body seated on the chair with his head slumped forward.

After that Montgomery later takes Adams on a tour of the house but in regards to Ralph ...Adams says nothing about Ralph's positioning unlike what he said about others positions.

Adams viewing would fit in with taking place about 8.30am as at 8.40 the doctor was in the house with Gibbons.

[smiffy]

Looking through Gibbon's account of 23rd sept 1985 he very much keeps his options open on Sheila.
He does place Sheila in the bedroom but does not state she was lying anywhere...whether on the floor or the bed. By claiming a wound to the neck ..but also mentioning the rifle vaguely he can get away with a claim of not looking too closely to report exactly what the wound(s) to her neck were....eg  the barrel of the rifle may have been obscuring his view.

[smiffy]

Like Gibbon's only speaking of a "wound" to Sheila' neck the report to criminal statistics by CI Miller dated 15th august 1985 also speaks of a  wound(singular) as having been inflicted by her own hand.

There were clearly 2 bullet wounds that are depicted in the photographs..so why deny it...or had they reason to deny it which could have had serious implications for a number of police officers.

Maybe we should give CI Miller the benefit of the doubt and indeed it could well be true that indeed she had only one wound that had been inflicted by her own hand. I LIKE THAT...SHEILA ONLY INFLICTED A SINGLE WOUND ON HERSELF.
WHAT I NOW WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS....WHO INFLICTED THE SECOND WOUND THEN?...ANY ANSWERS ?

[shonapugs]

smiffy - why the fuck are you SHOUTING??

[shonapugs]

Sorry. That was uncalled for. But, seriously, Smiffy, we are on a road to nowhere. You have a brilliant grasp on the facts, and like Kaldin, Hartley and The Brilliant Mistake, you have done some serious research, but there just isn't enough evidence left to tell us anything. We can all surmise, but we can't know. We'll probably never know.

[shonapugs]

If you can look at the images of Sheila, spotlessly clean, placed, with no sign of the battle with Ralph, and still be convinced that she murdered her entire family on that night, then you're a better man than I am, Gungadin.

[simong]

Pugsy, Smiffy is one of them people that when you go down the pub in a group, tries to dominate every conversation. One by one people make their excuses and leave until, he is left on his own with the barman. The sort of person who thinks others hang on his every word, who feels the need to have to prove he is intelligent. In a word..... boring!