Death of DCI "Taff" Jones...

[lookout]

Moral: If you are a prime witness in an up and coming murder trial. Stay off ladders.

Yes,Grahame,,,stay in bed and cook your own food.

[Bridget]

I think this sort of speculation is exactly why the coroners report is being withheld. It would be very distressing for Taff Jones family to have to deal with his death being portrayed as some part of the great conspiracy theory against Jeremy Bamber. I think it's been said that the report is held under PII, and if so, the CCRC have access to it.

[Roch]

I think this sort of speculation is exactly why the coroners report is being withheld. It would be very distressing for Taff Jones family to have to deal with his death being portrayed as some part of the great conspiracy theory against Jeremy Bamber. I think it's been said that the report is held under PII, and if so, the CCRC have access to it.

The CCRC allegedly having access to PII material in this case doesn't exactly fill anyone with a sense of relief or confidence in the system.  I think you make a fair point about the distressing of his family. Nevertheless, if an alternative truth really is hidden in this affair, I cannot see how anyone family or otherwise, is being best served by its' continued concealment. 

[Bridget]

The CCRC allegedly having access to PII material in this case doesn't exactly fill anyone with a sense of relief or confidence in the system.  I think you make a fair point about the distressing of his family. Nevertheless, if an alternative truth really is hidden in this affair, I cannot see how anyone family or otherwise, is being best served by its' continued concealment.

I agree, but if the CCRC are given enough reason to look at the report they will do so, but they won't necessarily tell the defence that they have done so.

[Roch]

I agree, but if the CCRC are given enough reason to look at the report they will do so, but they won't necessarily tell the defence that they have done so.

My impression of them is that they are overworked, under-resourced, not free from politicised interference, not strong enough to facilitate the confrontation of corruption and that many of the people who carry out the case work are not legal professionals? 

I could be wrong.

[Bridget]

My impression of them is that they are overworked, under-resourced, not free from politicised interference, not strong enough to facilitate the confrontation of corruption and that many of the people who carry out the case work are not legal professionals? 

I could be wrong.

Much of that is probably true, but when it comes to 'confrontation of corruption', you are basing that on the fact that they've found none. That could be because there is none to find.

[Roch]

Much of that is probably true, but when it comes to 'confrontation of corruption', you are basing that on the fact that they've found none. That could be because there is none to find.

I think it's more likely that it's unpalatable (or that classic line - beyond its' remit) to be seen to undermine the integrity of systems we have.

[Bridget]

I think it's more likely that it's unpalatable (or that classic line - beyond its' remit) to be seen to undermine the integrity of systems we have.

Well it's certainly not their job, but I do think that if it emerged that a wrongful conviction was based on corruption and there was evidence to support that, they would refer it to the CoA, and then stand back and watch the sh*t hit the fan.

[Roch]

Well it's certainly not their job, but I do think that if it emerged that a wrongful conviction was based on corruption and there was evidence to support that, they would refer it to the CoA, and then stand back and watch the sh*t hit the fan.

Here's hoping.  I'd get them a pint if that took place in this case.

[grahameb]

I think this sort of speculation is exactly why the coroners report is being withheld. It would be very distressing for Taff Jones family to have to deal with his death being portrayed as some part of the great conspiracy theory against Jeremy Bamber. I think it's been said that the report is held under PII, and if so, the CCRC have access to it.

Thats comforting to know

[Bridget]

Hi Patti

I think it was just a tragic accident.  Perhaps Taff Jones was so disturbed by the case/change of events that his mind wasn't on what he was doing and he slipped and fell.  Here's a similar case:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/dec/27/topstories3.mainsection

I seem to remember also, that he was inside his house painting the hallway when this happened. I don't know how reliable that is (could have been a newspaper story) but if true, it would make it a lot more difficult for someone to just happen along and shove him off.

[-Harters-]

I seem to remember also, that he was inside his house painting the hallway when this happened. I don't know how reliable that is (could have been a newspaper story) but if true, it would make it a lot more difficult for someone to just happen along and shove him off.

I thought he was painting the gable of his house. I can't remember where I got that from now though.

[haughton]

  I'm sure that DCI Jones's wife could clear up a lot of this. Where was she at the time of the accident?
  Did she know about what was hidden in the attic , why it was hidden in  the attic?
Has she been silenced...

[lookout]

  I'm sure that DCI Jones's wife could clear up a lot of this. Where was she at the time of the accident?
  Did she know about what was hidden in the attic , why it was hidden in  the attic?
Has she been silenced...

Hi haughton,,,yes,this is a question I'd put yesterday. I'm sure that any officer is,or already would have been informed  and prepared for any eventuallity either within the force itself or otherwise,,simply because they are in the force and so they're in the public eye more so,along with the nature of their job,,,and to " hide " material such as could possibly have saved 26/7 years of a subject,I find unethical as well as really and truthfully " against the law ".
My suspicions were raised simply because he was the one who was adamant that Jeremy wasn't involved. 

[lookout]

It's ironic to think that before my brother retired,,he " worked for the government ",,and if he'd been involved in any sort of an " accident ",,there was a letter on his person requesting his briefcase be taken to the nearest police station.! Goodness me.