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Re: "I haven't rehearsed what I am going to tell the jury." (JM)
« Reply #135 on: December 06, 2011, 07:42:AM »
So one minute she's talking about McDonald being the 'hitman', then next she doesn't believe that and says JB is responsible!

I think there must be a certain amount of poetic licence with a number of these published works, they have to be a good read in order to sell.

On this particular point, Julie didn't ever say it was Mcdonald, she said that Jeremy told her that it was Mcdonald. That's a very distinct and important detail.


A regular line when someone was telling lies to spin trouble I have come across is "using someone told me" as an excuse"....so anything wrong etc can be offloaded by the spinner of the false story. If the person is named that said the story then often they are the target of the lie.

It's q good job I've decided not to comment on 'Agent Z' then.

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Re: "I haven't rehearsed what I am going to tell the jury." (JM)
« Reply #136 on: December 08, 2016, 01:43:PM »
"All of this business about him planning murders and doing these terrible things came into your mind when it was apparent that he was no longer going to be with you",

defence barrister, Geoffrey Rivlin, demanded of JM during her cross examination at Jeremy's trial, according to Claire Powell's book.

JM's reply, according to Powell, was the extraordinary statement:

"I haven't rehearsed what I am going to tell the jury."

Why did Rivlin not immediately challenge this totally untrue claim?

Why did he not tell JM: oh but you most certainly have rehearsed what you are telling us here - over and over and over again, haven't you? Please tell the jury, JM, was it some 31 or 32 sessions of rehearsals that you had in the months leading up this trial?

Why was JM not asked to describe each of those rehearsal sessions and exactly what she had rehearsed during the course of each one?

Why was this line of questioning not followed up? Why weren't the judge and jury made acutely aware that every single nuance of JM's testimony, every sob, every sympathy eliciting glance, every word of every answer, had been honed and rehearsed and cosmetically enhanced over and over and over again?

Why didn't Rivlin engrave on the judge and jury's memories that JM could only give the near word perfect performance they saw before them thanks to the astonishing number of rehearsals she had had?

Julie Mugford was telling the truth. As I've stated elsewhere; it's quite possible the 30 odd sessions referred to, were her receiving support, following her experiences with her run in of an extremely disordered and dangerous man.
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Re: "I haven't rehearsed what I am going to tell the jury." (JM)
« Reply #137 on: December 08, 2016, 01:45:PM »
I think there must be a certain amount of poetic licence with a number of these published works, they have to be a good read in order to sell.

On this particular point, Julie didn't ever say it was Mcdonald, she said that Jeremy told her that it was Mcdonald. That's a very distinct and important detail.

Agreed! Amazing how these facts have been manipulated and distorted over the years.
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Re: "I haven't rehearsed what I am going to tell the jury." (JM)
« Reply #138 on: December 08, 2016, 01:50:PM »
I think there must be a certain amount of poetic licence with a number of these published works, they have to be a good read in order to sell.

On this particular point, Julie didn't ever say it was Mcdonald, she said that Jeremy told her that it was Mcdonald. That's a very distinct and important detail.



A regular line when someone was telling lies to spin trouble I have come across is "using someone told me" as an excuse"....so anything wrong etc can be offloaded by the spinner of the false story. If the person is named that said the story then often they are the target of the lie.

Julie Mugford would not have been aware of Jeremy Bambers tactics. It would most probably have taken her some time to realise his true intentions; presuming of course she did.

It's these distortions Bamber has relied on ,and put his spin on, in order to confuse his supporters.

He didn't however confuse the jury.
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Re: "I haven't rehearsed what I am going to tell the jury." (JM)
« Reply #139 on: December 08, 2016, 01:55:PM »
 Considering a jury member nodded off,it must have been quite boring.

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Re: "I haven't rehearsed what I am going to tell the jury." (JM)
« Reply #140 on: December 08, 2016, 02:13:PM »
Julie Mugford was telling the truth. As I've stated elsewhere; it's quite possible the 30 odd sessions referred to, were her receiving support, following her experiences with her run in of an extremely disordered and dangerous man.

Please read up on the case evidence. The agenda of those 30 sessions has already been established.

Seriously Stephanie your embarrassing yourself.

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Re: "I haven't rehearsed what I am going to tell the jury." (JM)
« Reply #141 on: December 08, 2016, 05:14:PM »
So one minute she's talking about McDonald being the 'hitman', then next she doesn't believe that and says JB is responsible!

No different to me once believing SH's claims that others had been responsible!
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Re: "I haven't rehearsed what I am going to tell the jury." (JM)
« Reply #142 on: December 09, 2016, 09:55:AM »
Julie Mugford was telling the truth. As I've stated elsewhere; it's quite possible the 30 odd sessions referred to, were her receiving support, following her experiences with her run in of an extremely disordered and dangerous man.

Hi Stephanie,

I was interested in your comments which I just picked up on. Basically, whether Mugford lied or not, has no bearing on the possibility, probability, impossibility, or improbability of Jeremy having shot and killed his sister? Of course, you are entitled to your opinion like the rest of us. Having said this, it beggars belief that Cops who investigated these killings deliberately withheld the contents of key police message logs which were recorded spontaneously in real time, information which challenges the very nature of the prosecutions case against Bamber. It didn't stop there, either, they lied and decieved the court which tried the matter about who had taken all the photographs of Sheila Caffells body 'insitu' inside the bedroom. Sheila was reportedly found downstairs in the kitchen at 7.37am, onward and her body  was certainly not upstairs anywhere prior to 8.10am. The rifle which fired the fatal shot that killed her was sighted leaning against a first floor window by WPC Julia Jeapes prior to the armed officers making their approach to enter the farmhouse. Now, armed with this information, it must be obvious to even the most bias persons in favour of Bambers guilt that he could not have shot and killed his sister. People can hate or dislike him, or both, as much as they like, but the solid truth of the matter is, that Bamber had no input into the contents of these key police message logs which by 7.37am had his sister downstairs in the kitchen, and by 8.10am she was not upstairs in the main bedroom, otherwise cops would have found four bodies upstairs by that stage not the three bodies which is recorded. People need to look at the bigger picture in this case, not concentrate or focus on the thoughts and ideas that relatives, or Julie Mugford had in their minds. The stark facts in this case all boil down to the circumstances surrounding the death of Bambers sister in the main bedroom by use of the family owned rifle. Was it possible for Bamber to have got possession of that rifle from the bedroom window after 7.15am, and use it to shoot dead his sister on the bedroom floor, then stage her death scene there on the bedroom floor at some point after 8.10am, oh and remove a silencer from the guns barrel and take it to another part of the farmhouse to conceal it, without any of the multitude of police officers present at the scene by 8.10am, both inside and outside the farmhouse? No, he could not possibly have got into the farmhouse after 8.10am, on that first morning of the police investigation, to grab the rifle from a first floor window and shoot his sister dead, and stage his sister's body to fool them into accepting that she had committed suicide? Impossible, since by 8.10am, cops had found five bodies, two bodies in the kitchen by 7.37am, one of these two deaths was known to be a murder, the other death known to be a suicide, by 7.45am. Only three bodies upstairs, all murders. Rifle confirmed as resting against a first floor window from an occasion prior to the firearm officers gaining access to the farmhouse. How did Bamber obtain the rifle from a first floor window after 7.15am, and how did he manage to shoot dead his sister on the main bedroom floor and stage her death scene there with the gun at any stage after 8.10am? You know that he couldn't have, having benefit to all this police evidence that was kept back from the defence and the jury at Bambers trial?
« Last Edit: December 09, 2016, 10:37:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: "I haven't rehearsed what I am going to tell the jury." (JM)
« Reply #143 on: December 09, 2016, 10:57:AM »
Agreed! Amazing how these facts have been manipulated and distorted over the years.

Hi Stephanie,

The only people who have manipulated the truth are Essex Police, the relatives and Julie Mugford. You can choose to disagree, that's fine. The facts are stark, Sheila was in the kitchen at 7.37 and 7.38am, she was not in the main bedroom by 8.10am. This information is recorded in withheld police records. The prosecution used slyness and dishonesty in its approach to the jury. Imagine the consequences of withholding that crucial information about Sheila being in the kitchen from 7.37 am, and more importantly only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am. The rifle which was used to kill Sheila at a first floor window by 7.15am, which somehow found its way onto Sheila's body on the main bedroom floor in time for 'DC Oakey' (25) and then PC Bird (SOCO) to photograph it. Anybody can introduce scenarios, but the stark fact of the matter is/was that Bamber could not have shot and killed his sister with the family owned rifle, and staged her death scene in that bedroom after 8.10am. Impossible, couldn't have happened, didn't happen. I have spent over two and a half decades studying this case, and I can tell you with 100% certainty that Bamber could not possibly have shot his sister with the rifle from the first floor window, and staged her body on the bedroom floor prior to the arrival of the occupants of CA07 at the scene prior to 3.48am at the scene. How then did the only rifle recovered from upstairs in the farmhouse end up at a first floor window by 7.15am, and how come Sheila was in the kitchen at 7.37am, and could not possibly have been upstairs anywhere until some time after 8.10am?

Bamber himself, has been accused of many things, but in this case for all his faults he could not possibly have had any involvement in his sister's death, or the stage managing of it...

The guy is innocent, and nothing Mugford, or the relatives, or any bent copper can say, or has said can realistically paint him as the killer. People want to stop making excuses for the police in this investigation and the dishonest role played out by the CPS in his prosecution. These people have acted like common criminals. They had all this key information all along, and they concealed it, hid it away, and deliberately sought to mislead the jury regarding it...
« Last Edit: December 09, 2016, 11:00:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: "I haven't rehearsed what I am going to tell the jury." (JM)
« Reply #144 on: December 09, 2016, 11:06:AM »
Key points, not to be ignored - rifle that was used to shoot and kill Bambers sister was at a first floor window prior to firearm officers entering the farmhouse. Sheila's body in the kitchen before it ends up on the floor of the bedroom, with the rifle from the first floor window in her possession. Two bodies downstairs (7.37am), three bodies upstairs (8.10am) which ended up being transformed into one body in kitchen, four bodies upstairs in bedrooms by 8.44am...

Don't try to fool yourself into thinking that Bamber could have had anything whatsoever to do with the death of his sister.

He didn't, he couldn't have...

Impossible...

There is more chance of any of you being responsible for shooting and killing her, and staging her death scene...

Think...
« Last Edit: December 09, 2016, 11:08:AM by mike tesko »
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