Question for NGB

[OnceSaid]

38. At 8.10 a.m., Dr Craig attended the scene to formally certify the deaths. In cross-examination at the trial he said the deaths could have occurred at any time during the previous night. The appearance of Sheila Caffell's body suggested to him that the wounds had been inflicted by her own hand. In answer to the judge the witness made it clear this was not an opinion the jury should rely upon as a true indication that the injuries had been self-inflicted.

46. From the pathological evidence alone, the pathologist could not say, one way or the other, whether Mrs Caffell had been murdered or had taken her own life.

[Roch]

In my view there could never be absolute proof of innocence

ngb / anyone...

Can I please ask,

If high res blow-ups of Sheila Caffell's crime scene and mortuary photographs exist, how is it not possible to establish that the time of death for Sheila is outside any time frame feasible for Jeremy Bamber to been responsible for her death?

I still cannot understand this aspect of the case.

There are high resolution images now available to the defence which show Sheila at WHF and at the mortuary.  The defence are looking into the aspect of the case whch you highlight.  Although I am not an expert on this type of evidence, my feeling is that it will prove very difficult to fix a time of death, even to within a range, from examination of photographs alone.  This is another example of the poor police work in this case.  The correct procedure was for the pathologist to have attended the crime scene and examined the bodies there.  The police did not consider this to be necessary.

 

Thanks ngb.  I have always favoured the view that this particular aspect of the evidence should fall within the remit of the Ministry of Common Sense.  I expect time of death can be challenged due to the points you make above.  But I would like to see a straw poll taken from any medical professionals, to see where they would place the likely time frame.

[Roch]

38. At 8.10 a.m., Dr Craig attended the scene to formally certify the deaths. In cross-examination at the trial he said the deaths could have occurred at any time during the previous night. The appearance of Sheila Caffell's body suggested to him that the wounds had been inflicted by her own hand. In answer to the judge the witness made it clear this was not an opinion the jury should rely upon as a true indication that the injuries had been self-inflicted.

If the people who wrote point 38 had been given sight of the logs, the requests made resulting from the logs and SOCO Neil Davidson's COLP statement, then point 38 would be at least as challengeable as the withheld crime scene photos of Sheila, if not more so, imo.  But like those photos, the logs themselves where withheld.  At 8.10am when owld Craigy was allegedly attending the scene, there were only three bodies upstairs.

[jackiepreece]

Jeremy hasn't got a hope in hell of getting out of prison the way his campaign centre are running things it's a complete shambles at the moment

[Roch]

Jeremy hasn't got a hope in hell of getting out of prison the way his campaign centre are running things it's a complete shambles at the moment

Why Jackie, what's happening?  I did think the tweets went a bit lame for a while.  Sarah Hannover was pretty efficient when she was in post. 

[jackiepreece]

They are absolutely useless who would change the colour of a website at a critical time when they could be tweeting about the case.
If they had a clue what they were doing they might have found Simon Mckay instead of me you look at campaigns run for other miscarriages of justice like Simon Hall and Jeremys looks so bad they didn't ever handle the Bob Woofinden fiasco properly.

Absolutely useless god knows what Simon McKay thinks of them

[Roch]

I do prefer the new blog colour.  I think it's easier to read and the different blog entries look more seperate.  The tweets have definitely changed.  Like they are more uniform.  They don't pack much punch.  In general I get the impression that major work is going on behind the scenes and there has been some kind of request made in relation to discretion. 

[nugnug]

i prefered the old couler but i dont think it will change the chances of Jeremy bamber getting out or not

[tyler]

NGB - regarding reply 20 - an excellent post!

One thing that I feel certain of,is that regardless of whether Jeremy is innocent or guilty,he is definately adamant that he did not make those scratches on the aga surround.Why else go to all the trouble of bringing in an expert to scrutinize the photographs and I understand that he wants to undertake futher forensic tests on the matter? If Jeremy was not responsible for making those scratches,then surely it must follow that Jeremy was also not responsible for placing the sound moderator in the understairs cupboard once the red paint had been ingrained upon it?

[chochokeira]

NGB - regarding reply 20 - an excellent post!

One thing that I feel certain of,is that regardless of whether Jeremy is innocent or guilty,he is definately adamant that he did not make those scratches on the aga surround.Why else go to all the trouble of bringing in an expert to scrutinize the photographs and I understand that he wants to undertake futher forensic tests on the matter? If Jeremy was not responsible for making those scratches,then surely it must follow that Jeremy was also not responsible for placing the sound moderator in the understairs cupboard once the red paint had been ingrained upon it?

Good points, Tyler +1

[tyler]

I know that Robert and David Boutflour had to hand their parker hale sound moderators over to EP,and also possibly Peter Eaton,but does anyone know if Pargeter also handed his over too?

Maybe Mike or Smiffy could help with this?

[grahameb]

I know that Robert and David Boutflour had to hand their parker hale sound moderators over to EP,and also possibly Peter Eaton,but does anyone know if Pargeter also handed his over too?

Maybe Mike or Smiffy could help with this?

Weren't one of those a gun dealer? Now where did I hear that?

[arkanoid]

They are absolutely useless who would change the colour of a website at a critical time when they could be tweeting about the case.
If they had a clue what they were doing they might have found Simon Mckay instead of me you look at campaigns run for other miscarriages of justice like Simon Hall and Jeremys looks so bad they didn't ever handle the Bob Woofinden fiasco properly.

Absolutely useless god knows what Simon McKay thinks of them

What does he think of them Jackie? This is interesting.

Is Jeremy of the opinion that he has been let down by the team?
It would be very disappointing if that were the case 

[arkanoid]

I know that Robert and David Boutflour had to hand their parker hale sound moderators over to EP,and also possibly Peter Eaton,but does anyone know if Pargeter also handed his over too?

Maybe Mike or Smiffy could help with this?

How many silencers do you think were in play lovely Tyler? One-a-piece?