you should all know this?

[mike tesko]

According to PS Woodcock, he removed the rifle from the body of Sheila Caffell and made it safe, but DI Cook (SOC) told COLP in his 39 page witness statement, that he called PI Montgomery into the farmhouse to make the gun safe, before it was taken away, and that he had PI Montgomery escorted out of the house immediately afterwards...

[mike tesko]

Why would PS Woodcock say he removed the rifle from Sheila's body and made it safe, if PI Montgomery had already done so?

[mike tesko]

And why would DI Cook (SOC) say elsewhere that he removed the rifle and stood it against the bedroom window, if PI Montgomery, and or PS Woodcock had removed the gun?

[mike tesko]

If SBJ1 wasn't found on the morning of the tragedy, then ACC Simpson must be getting befuddled.

28. However, in his broadcasts to various media organisations, that were notably later
retracted, ACC Simpson was quoted in ‘The Mirror,’ on the 17th September 1985,


‘A heavily bloodstained silencer was found by the police hours after the gruesome
massacre,’ in addition, ‘Police discovered a blood stained gun silencer at the farm on
the day of the massacre.’

29. Furthermore on 16th September 1985, ACC Simpson informed Paul Davidson of ‘The
Essex Gazette,’


‘Although a silencer was found shortly after police broke into the house, a few hours
after the killings on 7th August 1985, it was not until after enquiries were reopened
that this was regarded as significant'.

Yes, police did find a silencer, SBJ/1 on 7th August 1985, at the scene, which could not have been the silencer found in the gun cupboard by David Boutflour, on either 10th August 1985, or 11th September 1985...

[smiffy]

David Boutflours call to the police at 22.28hrs (10.28pm) was rather late at night for a call in which he wished to speak to Ainsley. Was there an urgent rush?  Looks very fishy that he left it so late to want to make a statement regarding "the gun". It would seem by then that Ann had handed the silencer to the police.
But was it not later that another officer went to collect the sight box from David Boutflour...just the box mind...
why the box was supposedly seperate from the sight seems rather odd. One wonders here if the truth was that David Boutflour handed over the sight in the box and things later  altered to claim Ann handed the police the sight instead of the silencer.

That label Ann signed was for a silencer was it not. And she could not give a satisfactory answer to it when asked by the COLP...it seems obvious that Ann did indeed hand over the silencer on the 11th and has co-operated in a deception to later cover this fact up and hence denies knowing anything about the silencer and signing the label.

[jon]

David Boutflours call to the police at 22.28hrs (10.28pm) was rather late at night for a call in which he wished to speak to Ainsley. Was there an urgent rush?  Looks very fishy that he left it so late to want to make a statement regarding "the gun". It would seem by then that Ann had handed the silencer to the police.
But was it not later that another officer went to collect the sight box from David Boutflour...just the box mind...
why the box was supposedly seperate from the sight seems rather odd. One wonders here if the truth was that David Boutflour handed over the sight in the box and things later  altered to claim Ann handed the police the sight instead of the silencer.

That label Ann signed was for a silencer was it not. And she could not give a satisfactory answer to it when asked by the COLP...it seems obvious that Ann did indeed hand over the silencer on the 11th and has co-operated in a deception to later cover this fact up and hence denies knowing anything about the silencer and signing the label.

Do you have the record log of this call ? I have seen it before but cant find it now !!

[mike tesko]

David Boutflours call to the police at 22.28hrs (10.28pm) was rather late at night for a call in which he wished to speak to Ainsley. Was there an urgent rush?  Looks very fishy that he left it so late to want to make a statement regarding "the gun". It would seem by then that Ann had handed the silencer to the police.
But was it not later that another officer went to collect the sight box from David Boutflour...just the box mind...
why the box was supposedly seperate from the sight seems rather odd. One wonders here if the truth was that David Boutflour handed over the sight in the box and things later  altered to claim Ann handed the police the sight instead of the silencer.

That label Ann signed was for a silencer was it not. And she could not give a satisfactory answer to it when asked by the COLP...it seems obvious that Ann did indeed hand over the silencer on the 11th and has co-operated in a deception to later cover this fact up and hence denies knowing anything about the silencer and signing the label.

Do you have the record log of this call ? I have seen it before but cant find it now !!

Yes, here is a copy of the exhibit label that Ann Eaton signed:-

It contains the signatures of all the relatives, Ann Eaton, Peter Eaton and David Robert Boutflour, but none of the scientists who examined the other silencer at the lab, after its submission on 13th and 30th August 1985...

[smiffy]

David Boutflours call to the police at 22.28hrs (10.28pm) was rather late at night for a call in which he wished to speak to Ainsley. Was there an urgent rush?  Looks very fishy that he left it so late to want to make a statement regarding "the gun". It would seem by then that Ann had handed the silencer to the police.
But was it not later that another officer went to collect the sight box from David Boutflour...just the box mind...
why the box was supposedly seperate from the sight seems rather odd. One wonders here if the truth was that David Boutflour handed over the sight in the box and things later  altered to claim Ann handed the police the sight instead of the silencer.

That label Ann signed was for a silencer was it not. And she could not give a satisfactory answer to it when asked by the COLP...it seems obvious that Ann did indeed hand over the silencer on the 11th and has co-operated in a deception to later cover this fact up and hence denies knowing anything about the silencer and signing the label.

Do you have the record log of this call ? I have seen it before but cant find it now !!

Mike posted it on page 132 of this thread...

[mike tesko]

In contrast, here is the other exhibit label bearing all the signatures of the experts at the lab' who examined that silencer once it had been sent to the lab' on 13th and 30th August 1985:-

Exhibit label, signed by Radcliffe (gun dealoer), DI Cook (SOC). Glynis Howard, MDF and Elliot...

[Roch]

Mike,

You appear to have an arch competitor...

The true facts concerning the silencer/sound moderator


I notice that Teskowski is again attempting to make some mileage out of the referencing of the sound moderator. Given this continued nonsense I have gone back over the various statements and trial evidence and can report the following.


DS Davidson was interviewed at length by the City Of London Police on 16 October 1991. In addition to other matters he was asked about the silencer which was submitted in evidence.

He stated that DI Cook collected a sound moderator from DS Jones on the morning of Tuesday 13 August 1985, some 6 days after the murders. He was asked about the sound moderator and admitted that he had never seen it before. He was then shown the sound moderator by his interviewers. He stated that the sound moderator was recorded by him as SBJ/1 on the basis that it had been collected by Stanley Brian Jones. DI Cook asked DS Davidson to raise a log entry in relation to the silencer, this was done over the phone.

Davidson said that Cook spent a long time going backwards and forwards from Sandridge Forensic Laboratory with the sound moderator. He said that for some reason the moderator seemed to be taken care of solely by DI Cook. Davidson commented, "He (DI Cook) had full control over it"

DI Cook for his part states on page 2 of his statement of 24 October 1985, that at 9.15am on Tuesday 13 August 1985, he received a silencer ref DB/1 from DS Jones. Later that day he conveyed DB/1 and other exhibits to the Forensic Science Laboratory at Huntingdon. The silencer DB/1 was returned to him the same day.

At 7pm on Wednesday 14 August 1985, DI Cook along with DI Miller and DS Jones went to White House farm and met with Ann Eaton. They were shown the scratch marks above the Aga cooker on the underside of the mantelpiece and control samples of paint were taken for analysis. This sample was referenced as RWC/1 and was later handed to DS Davidson.

DI Cook was shown a silencer ref DRB/1 by City of London Police in October 1991 and admitted that the initials on the sticker were his. He stated that he had incorrectly given the sound moderator the ref SBJ/1 as he had assumed that DS Jones had recovered it. He states that he resubmitted the sound moderator for testing to the FSS laboratory at Huntingdon again on 30 August 1985.

During the trial DI Cook gave the following evidence in relation to the sound moderator. He confirmed the receipt of a silencer from DS Jones on the morning of 13 August 1985 and stated that it was packed in a cylindrical cardboard container. He commented that it was nowhere near the same condition it was at the time he had received it. It had been well handled and desecrated since that particular time. He confirmed that there was a greyish hair attached to the end which was furthest away from the rifle muzzle. The hair was not attached when it arrived at the FSS lab at Huntingdon.

He was asked about the gun cupboard and he stated that he had looked into it but had not searched it neither had he asked any other officer to do so.

It is crystal clear that what started out as SBJ/1 was later changed to DB/1 and later again DRB/1.

There only ever was ONE SILENCER/SOUND MODERATOR

[Hartley]

I have also been told that Oakey collected the scope from Ann on the 11th September, not the silencer.

Is this mentioned in any statement's ?

Yes Oakey made a statement on 25th October 1985 which described the collection of the scope, unfortunately I don't think it is on the forum.

Have you read this yourself ?

Yes I have, it mentions the collection of the Nikkon scope and various boxes of ammunition including the Eley .22 hollowpoint and Raker shotgun cartridges, it also mentions a spot of blood on one of the boxes.

Hartley thx for link !! Are you saying DB was mistaken when he claimed he had found a silencer and it was actually a Nikkon scope ?

Jon why do you bother?

Yes that's the relatives never found a silencer at all, just a scope, that's exactly what I've said. 

Pathetic!

[tyler]

Well I for one believe in Mikes 2 sound moderators theory.I have always believed that one was found on the morning of the murders,hence the visit from EP to Jeremys cottage to discuss it.
And as Rochy has posted,Simpson clearly admits to one having been found that morning.
Or is this another "mistake" like the  "mistakes" in the logs ie: "one dead male,one dead female found on entry" etc.
There were clearly 2 silencers in whf,Nevills and Pargeters.One found on the morning of the murders and one found by the relatives.The relatives one,having red paint upon it,from the scratched mantle that wasnt scratched on the morning of the murders!People can draw their own conclusions as to how that came about.
Not only do I believe in the 2 sound modeator theory,but so do Jeremys defence team,whom have undertaken much in depth work,to prove this to be true.And they have access to far more evidence and paperwork than we do!

[tyler]

Mike,

You appear to have an arch competitor...

The true facts concerning the silencer/sound moderator


I notice that Teskowski is again attempting to make some mileage out of the referencing of the sound moderator. Given this continued nonsense I have gone back over the various statements and trial evidence and can report the following.


DS Davidson was interviewed at length by the City Of London Police on 16 October 1991. In addition to other matters he was asked about the silencer which was submitted in evidence.

He stated that DI Cook collected a sound moderator from DS Jones on the morning of Tuesday 13 August 1985, some 6 days after the murders. He was asked about the sound moderator and admitted that he had never seen it before. He was then shown the sound moderator by his interviewers. He stated that the sound moderator was recorded by him as SBJ/1 on the basis that it had been collected by Stanley Brian Jones. DI Cook asked DS Davidson to raise a log entry in relation to the silencer, this was done over the phone.

Davidson said that Cook spent a long time going backwards and forwards from Sandridge Forensic Laboratory with the sound moderator. He said that for some reason the moderator seemed to be taken care of solely by DI Cook. Davidson commented, "He (DI Cook) had full control over it"

DI Cook for his part states on page 2 of his statement of 24 October 1985, that at 9.15am on Tuesday 13 August 1985, he received a silencer ref DB/1 from DS Jones. Later that day he conveyed DB/1 and other exhibits to the Forensic Science Laboratory at Huntingdon. The silencer DB/1 was returned to him the same day.

At 7pm on Wednesday 14 August 1985, DI Cook along with DI Miller and DS Jones went to White House farm and met with Ann Eaton. They were shown the scratch marks above the Aga cooker on the underside of the mantelpiece and control samples of paint were taken for analysis. This sample was referenced as RWC/1 and was later handed to DS Davidson.

DI Cook was shown a silencer ref DRB/1 by City of London Police in October 1991 and admitted that the initials on the sticker were his. He stated that he had incorrectly given the sound moderator the ref SBJ/1 as he had assumed that DS Jones had recovered it. He states that he resubmitted the sound moderator for testing to the FSS laboratory at Huntingdon again on 30 August 1985.

During the trial DI Cook gave the following evidence in relation to the sound moderator. He confirmed the receipt of a silencer from DS Jones on the morning of 13 August 1985 and stated that it was packed in a cylindrical cardboard container. He commented that it was nowhere near the same condition it was at the time he had received it. It had been well handled and desecrated since that particular time. He confirmed that there was a greyish hair attached to the end which was furthest away from the rifle muzzle. The hair was not attached when it arrived at the FSS lab at Huntingdon.

He was asked about the gun cupboard and he stated that he had looked into it but had not searched it neither had he asked any other officer to do so.

It is crystal clear that what started out as SBJ/1 was later changed to DB/1 and later again DRB/1.

There only ever was ONE SILENCER/SOUND MODERATOR

Note how Davidson appears to "remove" himself from the sound moderator evidence by stating "He (DI Cook)had full control over it"and that "for some reason he had full control over it".It appears to me that Davidson is fully aware of what that "some reason" was.It is also becoming apparant to me  what that "some reason" was.Its also becoming glaringly obvious,that DI Cook appears to be the main player in the falsyfing of evidence regarding the sound moderator.
Gosh,Im starting to sound like Smiffy    No offence Smiffy........am clearly just learning from you 

[smiffy]

Mike,

You appear to have an arch competitor...

The true facts concerning the silencer/sound moderator


I notice that Teskowski is again attempting to make some mileage out of the referencing of the sound moderator. Given this continued nonsense I have gone back over the various statements and trial evidence and can report the following.


DS Davidson was interviewed at length by the City Of London Police on 16 October 1991. In addition to other matters he was asked about the silencer which was submitted in evidence.

He stated that DI Cook collected a sound moderator from DS Jones on the morning of Tuesday 13 August 1985, some 6 days after the murders. He was asked about the sound moderator and admitted that he had never seen it before. He was then shown the sound moderator by his interviewers. He stated that the sound moderator was recorded by him as SBJ/1 on the basis that it had been collected by Stanley Brian Jones. DI Cook asked DS Davidson to raise a log entry in relation to the silencer, this was done over the phone.

Davidson said that Cook spent a long time going backwards and forwards from Sandridge Forensic Laboratory with the sound moderator. He said that for some reason the moderator seemed to be taken care of solely by DI Cook. Davidson commented, "He (DI Cook) had full control over it"

DI Cook for his part states on page 2 of his statement of 24 October 1985, that at 9.15am on Tuesday 13 August 1985, he received a silencer ref DB/1 from DS Jones. Later that day he conveyed DB/1 and other exhibits to the Forensic Science Laboratory at Huntingdon. The silencer DB/1 was returned to him the same day.

At 7pm on Wednesday 14 August 1985, DI Cook along with DI Miller and DS Jones went to White House farm and met with Ann Eaton. They were shown the scratch marks above the Aga cooker on the underside of the mantelpiece and control samples of paint were taken for analysis. This sample was referenced as RWC/1 and was later handed to DS Davidson.

DI Cook was shown a silencer ref DRB/1 by City of London Police in October 1991 and admitted that the initials on the sticker were his. He stated that he had incorrectly given the sound moderator the ref SBJ/1 as he had assumed that DS Jones had recovered it. He states that he resubmitted the sound moderator for testing to the FSS laboratory at Huntingdon again on 30 August 1985.

During the trial DI Cook gave the following evidence in relation to the sound moderator. He confirmed the receipt of a silencer from DS Jones on the morning of 13 August 1985 and stated that it was packed in a cylindrical cardboard container. He commented that it was nowhere near the same condition it was at the time he had received it. It had been well handled and desecrated since that particular time. He confirmed that there was a greyish hair attached to the end which was furthest away from the rifle muzzle. The hair was not attached when it arrived at the FSS lab at Huntingdon.

He was asked about the gun cupboard and he stated that he had looked into it but had not searched it neither had he asked any other officer to do so.

It is crystal clear that what started out as SBJ/1 was later changed to DB/1 and later again DRB/1.

There only ever was ONE SILENCER/SOUND MODERATOR

THIS PIECE OF CRAP taken from another site may well be a Lamberton construction...
LETS DEMOLISH IT STRAIGHT AWAY...put it in the garbage bin.

Davidson was not on duty on the 13th of august ...happy days....ITS IN THE BIN..
The person writing that rubbish clearly likes to lie and mislead out of malice and spite.

[jon]

I have also been told that Oakey collected the scope from Ann on the 11th September, not the silencer.

Is this mentioned in any statement's ?

Yes Oakey made a statement on 25th October 1985 which described the collection of the scope, unfortunately I don't think it is on the forum.

Have you read this yourself ?

Yes I have, it mentions the collection of the Nikkon scope and various boxes of ammunition including the Eley .22 hollowpoint and Raker shotgun cartridges, it also mentions a spot of blood on one of the boxes.

Hartley thx for link !! Are you saying DB was mistaken when he claimed he had found a silencer and it was actually a Nikkon scope ?

Jon why do you bother?

Yes that's the relatives never found a silencer at all, just a scope, that's exactly what I've said. 

Pathetic!

So Acc Simpson was wrong when he stated ' silencer was found soon after entry to house ' , DB mistook a ' silencer ' for a ' nikkon scope ' even though he was used to seeing and using such thing's , then AE does not mention the find of any silencer till mid September , all at a time when exhibit label's are being changed ,  Hartley , it begs the question to my mind why would you come on here when you know full well an innocent man lay's in prison and argue for him to be kept there , pathetic indeed it will look you in the mirror this morning !!