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Offline mike tesko

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1920 on: December 11, 2011, 11:10:PM »
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or produce evidence to Jeremy's legal team, or to the CCRC, who as I understand it have said that although the case is closed now for any further submissions, that they may be prepared to accept further evidence if it has a significant bearing on the application they are considering.

Mike why would they request a single submission instead of a cumulative one, give extensions but without obtaining certain documents by not exercising their powers, delay the release negatives to the point of public protest, impede the completion of forensics, thus ensuring that the single submission they have requested cannot be put together, and then give no indication of an abrupt 'about turn' to shut of the submissions process? 

I think you are being optimistic here.

I am not the CCRC so I cannot speak for them, but it seems to me that the CCRC know there are problems with the evidence in this case, they just don't want to be the ones who provide access to the evidence that will result in these convictions getting quashed, and the criminal justice system being brought into disrepute...

I have heard that, as you know.  So what on earth is the purpose of the CCRC, if they are not strong enough to expose a politically sensitive miscarriage of justice?  It's pathetic.  They are simply enmeshing their own organisation in to the very corruption that they don't have the backbone to expose.  There is no way they would do that if they thought there was any danger of him getting out.  It would be like committing suicide for their organisation.  So they must be relying upon him not getting out, imo.

impression I get about the CCRC is that they are not in business to uncover miscarriages of justice, merely there to protect the system from being exposed because of them...

They are like a safety net, in place to protect the system from sudden unexpected fallout...

Its as though this organisation has been set up to prevent cases suddenly exposing the criminal justice system, CPS, Judiciary and police, as nothing more than shambolic, and on occasions dishonest...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1921 on: December 11, 2011, 11:14:PM »
Entries on crucial lab' documents pertaining to the silencer evidence were doctored and falsified, for the purpose of presenting two different silencers as being one and the same. Here is a typical example of what I am talking about - the GENERAL EXAMINATION RECORD for the submission of the silencer to the lab' at Huntingdon, on 13th August 1985:-

This silencer was already at the lab' from 30th August 1985, and had previously been to the lab' on 13th August 1985, and therefore could not have been the silencer handed over to the police by relatives on 11th September 1985, which was used to deliberately mark the aga surround on 12th September 1985, as evidenced by the photographs cited previously...

If this silencer was at the lab' from 30th August 1985, onward, it could not very well have paint from the scratch marks on the aga upon it by 30th August 1985, since these marks were not made to the aga surround until 12th September 1985 at the earliest. Furthermore, because the silencer sent to the lab' on 30th August 1985, remained at the lab' from that date onwards, how could it be returned to the lab' after that date, with paint upon it which could not have got onto a silencer until 12th September 1985? You can't return a silencer to the lab' after 30th August 1985, if it was there all along, and it never left the lab' to enable it to make the marks on the aga by 12th September 1985...

So somebody made a false entry on the wrong General Examination Record for one of the silencers as part of the ploy to merge both silencers into the same one...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1922 on: December 11, 2011, 11:28:PM »
How come flake of blood was found by MDF after silencer had been returned on 30th August 1985, when the day beforehand, DI Cook had dismantled the same silencer and found nothing?

How could the loose flake of blood not be there on 29th August 1985, yet be there a day later?
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1923 on: December 11, 2011, 11:42:PM »
29th August 1985 - when Cook dismantled silencer and rebuilt it on this date there was no loose flake of blood present inside it; yet when MDF dismantled the same rebuilt silencer which Cook had dismantled the day beforehand, he suddenly finds the crucial loose flake of blood inside it that turns out to belong exclusively to Sheila...

Sorry...

but this is very dodgy evidence to say the least...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1924 on: December 12, 2011, 01:43:AM »
No one should be in any sort of doubt that police have lied about not moving or touching the bodies or anything at the scene until after the crime scene pictures had been taken, by reference to this picture that police took of Ralph Bambers body in the kitchen - you can see a large wooden chair behind him that is blocking off the very door through which members of the raid team supposedly entered the kitchen - now exactly how did the police manage to get into the kitchen with that wooden chair in that position?
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1925 on: December 12, 2011, 01:46:AM »
What's this, behind door?
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1926 on: December 12, 2011, 02:03:AM »
Looks like a black rubbish bag to me?
It was originally reported that Nevill was found "slumped" in a chair.
Does anyone else remember that?

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« Reply #1927 on: December 12, 2011, 02:10:AM »
There was said to have been 2 buckets stood next to the aga,in which Sheilas bloodied clothes were soaking.But I have never seen these in any crime scene photos?

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1928 on: December 12, 2011, 08:01:AM »
OPERATION "COOL":-

Jeremy Bamber was subject of a major police operation codenamed, Operation "Cool", after the shootings. This is confirmed in the pocketbook entries of PC DELGADO...

(copy of notes to be posted )...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1929 on: December 12, 2011, 08:04:AM »
OPERATION "COOL":-

 was subject of a major police operation codenamed, Operation "Cool", after the shootings. This is confirmed in the pocketbook entries of PC DELGADO...

(copy of notes to be posted )...

This was an operation which was drugs orientated, and included the police looking at Jeremy, Julie and all their friends, particularly those who lived in the bedsits at the same house as Julie Mugford - many of these persons had convictions for drug related offences...

Other information centred on the possibility that a big drugs dealer had recently put a deposit down on a large house in the Tolleshunt D'Arcy area...

Other inquiries were made into drugs links involving Sheila and her boyfriend "Freddie the Coke" Emani, who it was rumoured was owed £50,000 in debt by Sheila at the time of her death?
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1930 on: December 12, 2011, 08:14:AM »
Was PC Delgado present at the scene (whf) that morning and was he one of the six man raid team which forced its way into the farmhouse at about 7:30am (7th August 1985)? Here are the relevant pocketbook entries relating to his tour of duty for that, and other days:-

There does not appear to be any evidence that he wa actually at the scene on 7th August 1985, only that at 10:30hrs he was making notes with PC Collins about the incident there. There is no mention at all that the incident involved a multiple shooting where five people had died, including two young children, an elderly couple and a young mother...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1931 on: December 12, 2011, 08:28:AM »
It is very odd that none of these page entries in this pocketbook have got page numbers?
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1932 on: December 12, 2011, 09:53:AM »
PC Collins pocketbook entries:-
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1933 on: December 12, 2011, 10:19:AM »
A copy of the original notes which PC Delgado and PC Collins (and others) made on FORMS A58 have never yet been disclosed and continue to be withheld under pii...

Has this got anything to do with it?

(1) http://statguidance.ipcc.gov.uk/Pages/issues_recording.aspx#com

Power to suspend investigation or other procedure (sub judice) on a complaint case

A58. Police forces and police authorities are expected to record a complaint within 10 working days from receipt of the complaint, as outlined in A17 (Date complaint case recorded) This is irrespective of whether there are any outstanding criminal investigations or proceedings linked to the complaint. Once a complaint has been recorded, there is a power to suspend an investigation which would, if it were to continue, prejudice any criminal investigation or proceedings182. The justification for suspending an investigation will cease when the complainant/defendant is convicted or acquitted in the ongoing criminal proceedings or the case against him or her is not proceeded with. It does not generally include any period where the case is adjourned for sentencing. Even when the case is suspended, there may be an opportunity to gather evidence and undertake part of the investigation.

If so, what complaint was being written about by PC Delgado and PC Collins, on the day they forced their way into whf?

Or...

is the reference to making original notes on a FORM A58, a reference to a witness statement they both made at that time?
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1934 on: December 12, 2011, 11:52:AM »
The pocketbook entries of DS "Stan" Jones, recorded in a pocketbook that was issued to him on 5th November 1984:-

The contents of the book contain details between 5th April 1985 to 7th May 1986, recorded on 26 folded sheets of paper retained inside a card cover...

Sheet 01 - pages 01/02 - 103/104
Sheet 02 - pages 03/04 - 101/102 (notes checked by PI "Bob" Miller)
Sheet 03 - pages 05/06 - 99/100
Sheet 04 - pages 07/08 - 97/98  (notes checked by PI "Bob" Miller)
Sheet 05 - pages 09/10 - 95/96
Sheet 06 - pages 11/12 - 93/94
Sheet 07 - pages 13/14 - 91/92
Sheet 08 - pages 15/16 - 89/90
Sheet 09 - pages 17/18 - 87/88
Sheet 10 - pages 19/20 - 85/86
Sheet 11 - pages 21/22 - 83/84
Sheet 12 - pages 23/24 - 81/82  (notes checked by PI "Bob" Miller)
Sheet 13 - pages 25/26 - 79/80  (notes checked by PI "Bob" Miller)
Sheet 14 - pages 27/28 - 77/78
Sheet 15 - pages 29/30 - 75/76  (notes checked by PI "Bob" Miller)
Sheet 16 - pages 31/32 - 73/74
Sheet 17 - pages 33/34 - 71/72
Sheet 18 - pages 35/36 - 69/70
Sheet 19 - pages 37/38 - 67/68
Sheet 20 - pages 39/40 - 65/66
Sheet 21 - pages 41/42 - 63/64 (notes checked by PI "Bob" Miller)
Sheet 22 - pages 43/44 - 61/62
Sheet 23 - pages 45/46 - 59/60
Sheet 24 - pages 47/48 - 57/58
Sheet 25 - pages 49/50 - 55/56
Sheet 26 - pages 51/52 - 53/54
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