you should all know this?

[smiffy]

Smiffy.I am pretty sure that is a slipper by the chair in the crime scene photo of Sheila.Im certain that I have seen a clearer shot of it in a different photo.
I believe that Sheila was wearing those socks at one stage,as her feet shouldnt have been clean either way.Not living in a working farmhouse!

Can I ask what your take is on the matter of the bible.That blue bible was clearly not the original bible found with Sheilas body.It did not have her prints on it........only Junes.Did EP swap this bible with the black one,and if so......why? Why have we never heard any forensic information regarding the black bible,other than that blood was found inside it,as per the photograph?What do you read (pardon the pun) into this?
Thanks.

mike may be able to help more on the bibles....

However , comments on the blue bible have at times made mention that the blue bible was Sheila's possibly when she was younger ..but still kept at whf.

In his theorising diary...Robert paints a picture.....with a compliant Sheila being instructed...."bring your bible"...which suggests he knew the blue bible was Sheila's and was used or the one talked about by his informers and the police.

[smiffy]

For Keira's Oriental Perusal and Speculation (K O P S)    The reiterated Magick Carpet Theory deduced from Sir R.F.BURTON's Translations from the ARABIAN KNIGHTS 1885 - 1888.      Take SHEILA's body from back kitchen rolled up in a carpet,, up stairs? to June's bedroom. Place on floor. Unroll carpet. In order to remove carpet, place Sheila's body on the bed. Re-roll carpet and put out sight under bed. This would be at the time shown on digital clock, which MIKE saw in the photo he saw, in EWEN SMITH's office, of Sheila on the bed. Sheila,s body then placed on floor, with rifle (without moderator?) and BIBLE to indicate suicidded solution.

interesting theory...

I imagined the mat that was in front of the sink was only disposed of by burning due to stains upon it from in the kitchen.
I guess in the theory put forward it may have been used to move Sheila upstairs...as as a result later burned.

One could see the mattress on the bed in the main bedroom surviving any significant bloodstaining as no one seemed to stay on it long...
However the mattress' for the twins should have been heavily soaked and only fit for burning..so does anyone know if they had been removed and burned by the police?

[tyler]

Smiffy.I am pretty sure that is a slipper by the chair in the crime scene photo of Sheila.Im certain that I have seen a clearer shot of it in a different photo.
I believe that Sheila was wearing those socks at one stage,as her feet shouldnt have been clean either way.Not living in a working farmhouse!

Can I ask what your take is on the matter of the bible.That blue bible was clearly not the original bible found with Sheilas body.It did not have her prints on it........only Junes.Did EP swap this bible with the black one,and if so......why? Why have we never heard any forensic information regarding the black bible,other than that blood was found inside it,as per the photograph?What do you read (pardon the pun) into this?
Thanks.

mike may be able to help more on the bibles....

However , comments on the blue bible have at times made mention that the blue bible was Sheila's possibly when she was younger ..but still kept at whf.

In his theorising diary...Robert paints a picture.....with a compliant Sheila being instructed...."bring your bible"...which suggests he knew the blue bible was Sheila's and was used or the one talked about by his informers and the police.

Yes,the bible may have been Sheilas,but it was established that it was usually kept in Junes bedside locker.
Thanks for your help smiffy 

[Buddy]

Smiffy may be able to help me here. I was wondering where the wooden part of the rifle came from. Was it the butt of the rifle.

[tyler]

Smiffy may be able to help me here. I was wondering where the wooden part of the rifle came from. Was it the butt of the rifle.

Cliff,that it what was claimed.
What I find intriguing is that the relatives stated that Sheila hated guns,wouldnt touch them and didnt know one end of a gun from another,and yet both hers and Nevills fingerprints were found on Nevills shotgun?

[Buddy]

Smiffy may be able to help me here. I was wondering where the wooden part of the rifle came from. Was it the butt of the rifle.

Cliff,that it what was claimed.
What I find intriguing is that the relatives stated that Sheila hated guns,wouldnt touch them and didnt know one end of a gun from another,and yet both hers and Nevills fingerprints were found on Nevills shotgun?

Then that suggest to me that the rifle was swung by the barrel at Ralph.
How did the silencer mark the mantle, when it was held in the hand. Hope that makes sense.

[grahameb]

Smiffy may be able to help me here. I was wondering where the wooden part of the rifle came from. Was it the butt of the rifle.

Cliff,that it what was claimed.
What I find intriguing is that the relatives stated that Sheila hated guns,wouldnt touch them and didnt know one end of a gun from another,and yet both hers and Nevills fingerprints were found on Nevills shotgun?

There was also one found on the suicide weapon that belonged to her.

[HMEssex]

Smiffy may be able to help me here. I was wondering where the wooden part of the rifle came from. Was it the butt of the rifle.

Cliff,that it what was claimed.
What I find intriguing is that the relatives stated that Sheila hated guns,wouldnt touch them and didnt know one end of a gun from another,and yet both hers and Nevills fingerprints were found on Nevills shotgun?

Then that suggest to me that the rifle was swung by the barrel at Ralph.
How did the silencer mark the mantle, when it was held in the hand. Hope that makes sense.

I thought these marks were not present in original photos, but pics on this forum show they were added at a later date, hence the expert re-examining them and these are forming part of the appeal as outlined in the Guardian article way back in February.  That is what led me here!

[Buddy]

Smiffy may be able to help me here. I was wondering where the wooden part of the rifle came from. Was it the butt of the rifle.

Cliff,that it what was claimed.
What I find intriguing is that the relatives stated that Sheila hated guns,wouldnt touch them and didnt know one end of a gun from another,and yet both hers and Nevills fingerprints were found on Nevills shotgun?

Then that suggest to me that the rifle was swung by the barrel at Ralph.
How did the silencer mark the mantle, when it was held in the hand. Hope that makes sense.

I thought these marks were not present in original photos, but pics on this forum show they were added at a later date, hence the expert re-examining them and these are forming part of the appeal as outlined in the Guardian article way back in February.  That is what led me here!

I thought this had already been discounted.

[HMEssex]

Smiffy may be able to help me here. I was wondering where the wooden part of the rifle came from. Was it the butt of the rifle.

Cliff,that it what was claimed.
What I find intriguing is that the relatives stated that Sheila hated guns,wouldnt touch them and didnt know one end of a gun from another,and yet both hers and Nevills fingerprints were found on Nevills shotgun?

Then that suggest to me that the rifle was swung by the barrel at Ralph.
How did the silencer mark the mantle, when it was held in the hand. Hope that makes sense.

I thought these marks were not present in original photos, but pics on this forum show they were added at a later date, hence the expert re-examining them and these are forming part of the appeal as outlined in the Guardian article way back in February.  That is what led me here!

I thought this had already been discounted.

Has it?!  Oh dear, I'm not up to speed then!

[Buddy]

Don't take my word for it HM, as I am usually wrong. I blame it on senior moments.

[HMEssex]

Don't take my word for it HM, as I am usually wrong. I blame it on senior moments.

He he!  Don't worry Buddy.  So many twists and turns on this forum and all confusing, annoying and fascinating.  I wonder what we will all do when it's all over?  Have a knees up somewhere?!!

[Roch]

Don't take my word for it HM, as I am usually wrong. I blame it on senior moments.

He he!  Don't worry Buddy.  So many twists and turns on this forum and all confusing, annoying and fascinating.  I wonder what we will all do when it's all over?  Have a knees up somewhere?!!

A massive bender.  We'll probably have to book out the Ritz. 

[HMEssex]

Don't take my word for it HM, as I am usually wrong. I blame it on senior moments.

He he!  Don't worry Buddy.  So many twists and turns on this forum and all confusing, annoying and fascinating.  I wonder what we will all do when it's all over?  Have a knees up somewhere?!!

A massive bender.  We'll probably have to book out the Ritz.

Wow Rochy the Ritz!  Thanks 

[campion]

buddy, sounds good! Don't make a meal of it, CLIFF and ME (Last three-045) are Senior CitiZens!!!