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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1455 on: November 29, 2011, 08:09:PM »
I would like to produce the following for everyone to consider - it concerns the actual date when David Boutrflour found or recovered a silencer in the so called gun cupboard in the downstairs office?

There are two schools of thought in this respect, (a) that he found it on 10th August 1985, and that the relatives retained it until 11th September 1985, or (b) that he found it on 11th September, and it was handed over to the police the very same day by his sister, Ann Eaton?

Linked to the truth was the presence of Mr Basil John Cock,, Executor of the Bamber parents `Estates`, since it has been claimed that he was there when a silencer was found, and that this occasion coincided with a presence of 'white dust` that was covering everything arising from a (SOC) fingerprint examination at the scene - unfortunately, for those in favour of a silencer having been found in accordance (a), there was no fingerprint examination at the scene, until after 8th September...

What is common to both scenarios, is that relatives did not hand this silencer over to the police until the 11th September 1985, by which stage, the original silencer had already been submitted to the lab', a nd it had been at the lab` from as long ago as 30th August 1985. Therefore, once this additional. Silencer was handed over to the police by the relatives on 11th September, there existed two identical Parker Hale silencers, one at the lab` which had been there from 30th August 19
 85, And a second on e, one which remained in police possession, a under their control, between 11th and 20th September 1985. It was during this period, and under the supervision of DI Cook (SOC) and PC Bird (SOC), that additional marks were made on the aga surround, to which recently disclosed photographs relate...

Police did not have possession of the original silencer after 30th August, and therefore, they could not have marked the aga surround in the kitchen at whf on12th September by use of the original silencer, the marks on the aga could only have been made by use of the second silencer, the one which the relatives did not hand over to the police until 11th September, which was a silencer that was taken to the scene by Cook and Bird, on 12th September, for the purpose of contaminating it. This contaminated silencer was thus sent to the lab `on 20th September, and not checked until 25th September, and paint identified upon it...

Police then took a series of measures to suggest a small flake of blood bearing the same blood group activity as Sheila Caffell had been found inside it, by seeking to merge both silencers into the same one...
 
« Last Edit: November 29, 2011, 10:11:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1456 on: November 29, 2011, 09:41:PM »
As things stand, blood which originated from Sheila, and paint from the scratch marks on the aga surround, were found in and on the same silencer, yet the stark truth is that Sheila`s blood could not have been found inside the silencer which the relatives handed over to the police on 11th September, because it was supposed to have been found inside a silencer which had been at the lab` from 30th August 1985...

Furthermore...

Paint from the aga surround could not have been found on the original silencer which police sent to lab`on 13th and 30th August, because scratch marks were not made on the aga surround, until 12th September...

The "silencer/blood and paint evidence", is therefore dodgy , and can no longer be relied upon to support the legitimacy of these convictions...

Who amongst us, would be happy to stand convicted by such concocted/falsified evidence?
« Last Edit: November 29, 2011, 10:05:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1457 on: November 29, 2011, 10:08:PM »
Lets get the facts right, and let us all sing it from the rooftops, that the cat is out of the bag, and the relatives did not hand over a silencer to the police until 11th September 1985, not a day sooner...

No reliable police records exist to support any suggestion that relatives handed over a silencer to police, on any occasion other than the 11th September 1985...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1458 on: November 29, 2011, 10:16:PM »
Not sure if you've got this one Mike?

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1459 on: November 29, 2011, 10:17:PM »
Lets get the facts right, and let us all sing it from the rooftops, that the cat is out of the bag, and the relatives did not hand over a silencer to the police until 11th September 1985, not a day sooner...

No reliable police records exist to support any suggestion that relatives handed over a silencer to police, on any occasion other than the 11th September 1985...
Am I right in suggesting that the police handed back to the family a silencer when they took possession of the farm. and pargeter told DB to hand it back to the cops.

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1460 on: November 29, 2011, 11:40:PM »
Copy of Email correspondence, between me and Essex police, about existence of more than one silencer, dated, 20th April 2004:-



RE: White House Farm murders

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FROM:
Kim Perks
 
TO:
michael teskowski
CC:
Win Bernard
 
 
Adam Hunt
 
Message flagged Tuesday, 20 April 2004, 8:28Message Body

Dear Mr Teskowski,

I apologise if there has been a misunderstanding or you didn't receive
my email, but I was of the belief that I had previously provided you
with a response to your interest about three different silencers.

The response was that the information you request is not for public
consumption, hence the reason that I am unable on this occasion to
provide you anymore detail. Those relevant parties such as families and
legal teams involved in the case HAVE been provided all the necessary
information.

I appreciate you have previously had affiliations with Jeremy Bamber and
his defence team but you must likewise appreciate that in order to
protect the interests of everyone, including Jeremy Bamber, we must
follow certain rules and regulations before releasing any information
into the public domain.

As I also previously stated, I have forwarded on all your emails to the
senior investigating officer Det Supt Win Bernard and force solicitor
Adam Hunt and I am sure that if there is anything else they are able to
tell you they will.

Regards

Kim Perks
Press Office
DDI: 01245 452455
Ext 50620
Mobile: 07850 882215

-----Original Message-----
From: michael teskowski [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 19 April 2004 20:06
To: Kim Perks
Subject: RE: White House Farm murders

Dear Kim Perks,

I recently contacted you regarding the question of
three different silencers in existence as part of the
WHF investigation - one that was donated to Essex
police museum and another two which were handed back
to the relatives..

As you know from time to time a silencer has been
referred to by the exhibits reference SBJ/1, DB/1 and
DRB/1.

I have a question, do each of the three aforementioned
exhibit references relate to only one silencer or
sound moderator or has each silencer or sound
moderator been given a separate exhibits reference?

I understand there was an internal police
investigation into the possibility that more than one
silencer was recovered from either WHF or the
relatives which was conducted by COLP, who concluded
that the various exhibits references (SBJ/1, DB/1 and
DRB/1) came about through a misunderdstanding between
the scenes of crime officer and the home office
forensic laboratory staff who recorded the silencer on
their forms as SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1 respectively on
different dates.

That explanation is all very well but it does not go
any way towards explaning how three different
silencers or sound moderastors came into the
possession of Essex police and how two of them were
handed back to the relatives and the third one was
donated to the museum!

I do know that according to the evidence of David
Boutflour and his family that they found a silencer in
the gun cupboard at WHF on saturday 10th August 1985.
This was taken by the family to the home of Christine
and Peter Eaton where it was kept for a period of two
days until 12th August 1985 at which point it was
collected from them by DS Jones who according to his
evidence took it to the scenes of crime dept at Witham
police station and placed it in a locked drawer until
9.15 a.m. the following morning at which point he
handed the aforementioned silencer to DI Cook who took
it immediately to Huntingdon Laboratory where it was
provisionally examined on 13th August 1985.

Now, I am mentioning this for a reason, you see a
couple of months ago, a retired police officer
contacted Jeremy bambers solicitors in Birmingham and
provided some information concerning the whereabouts
of the silencer prior to it going to the lab at
Huntingdon on the very first occasion it was
submitted!

This former police officer arranged to meet Ewen Smith
in London and provided the following information..

Prior to the first time the silencer was sent to the
lab it was kept by the former DCI Jones on his desk at
Witham police station and used as a paper weight!

At one stage PC Whiddon picked up the silencer and
took it to the store room where the rifle was being
kept and screwed it onto the threads of the rifle to
see if it fitted!

Two other police officers were named who witnessed
this occurring!

Now if this information is true then it cannot have
been the same silencer which David Boutflour recovered
from the gun cupboard since there was insufficient
time to allow for the silencer to be used as a paper
weight on top of the former DCI Jones desk at Witham
police station, because according to the evidence of
DS Jones and DI Cook and others, the one found by
David Boutflour was only at Witham police station
overnight and kept in a locked drawer in the scenes of
crime office!

This must mean there were at least two silencers in
Essex police possession, one in the control of the
former DCI Jones and another found by David Boutflour!

What I find interesting about all of this is that
nowhere in the file are there any references to the
former DCI Jones having any involvement with the
silencer used in the prosecution of Jeremy Bamber,
despite him being in overall command of the
investigation. For some reason he is neither shown or
examines the silencer or makes any report about how it
came into police possession!

I am particularly interested in how the silencer he
used as a paper weight on his desk before it was first
submitted to the lab (13th August 1985) came into his
possession?

Could you please shed some light on this matter?


Best wishes


Michael Teskowski.



   
   
       
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« Last Edit: November 29, 2011, 11:41:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1461 on: November 29, 2011, 11:43:PM »
I sent this (above) to Essex police some seven and a half years ago...

Also note, that EWEN Smith (now a CCRC Commissioner) knows about the "second silencer" that was in the possession of DCI "Taff" Jones...
« Last Edit: November 29, 2011, 11:51:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1462 on: November 29, 2011, 11:45:PM »
Not sure if you've got this one Mike?

Note:-

Refers to "PAINT SAMPLES", not paint sample...

(1) - RC/1 - 8th August 1985
(2) - RWC/1 - 14th August 1985

additional scratch marks were not made to aga surround until 12th September 1985, so why did police deliberately scratch the aga with the second silencer, on occasions after Cook had already taken paints samples, (1) and (2)?
« Last Edit: November 29, 2011, 11:49:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1463 on: November 30, 2011, 12:32:AM »
Don't worry it's only been 26 years

No rush then Essex Police

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1464 on: December 01, 2011, 12:01:PM »
Copy of Email correspondence, between me and Essex police, about existence of more than one silencer, dated, 20th April 2004:-



RE: White House Farm murders

Hide Details
FROM:
Kim Perks
 
TO:
michael teskowski
CC:
Win Bernard
 
 
Adam Hunt
 
Message flagged Tuesday, 20 April 2004, 8:28Message Body

Dear Mr Teskowski,

“The response was that the information you request is not for public
consumption, hence the reason that I am unable on this occasion to
provide you anymore detail. Those relevant parties such as families and
legal teams involved in the case HAVE been provided all the necessary
information”.

Regards

Kim Perks
Press Office
DDI: 01245 452455
Ext 50620
Mobile: 07850 882215

-----Original Message-----
From: michael teskowski [mailto:[email protected]]

For over 7 years, Essex police, the relatives, and the force solicitor, Mr Adam Hunt, have known that those representing Jeremy Bambers interests, cottoned on to the fact that a number of different identical looking Parker hale silencers had all be merged together, with the sole purpose to mislead, and so that it could be argued that crucial blood and paint evidence, was found inside and on the same silencer, which was/is a major deception. Blood from Sheila was not found inside the silencer handed over to the police on 11th September, by virtue of the fact that the ballistic expert claimed the crucial blood had been found inside a silencer sent to the lab' on 30th August. Therefore, the crucial blood evidence must have been found inside a different silencer than the one handed over to police by relatives on 11th September? As I say, blood has been allocated to a silencer, which would be impossible considering that the silencer to which the crucial blood has been allocated, did not get sent to the lab` to be examined until some 10 days after the crucial blood was supposedly already found inside it? How could Sheila's blood be found inside a silencer at the lab' on 11th September, if the silencer in question was not there to enable the ballistic expert to find it there, as alleged?

You then have the problem of the paint from the scratch marks on the aga, which was found to be present on the silencer handed over to the police, by relatives, on 11th September, the crucial blood was not found inside the same silencer that paint was found in...

You have as it were, blood in one silencer, and paint on the other, and in order to maintain that this was a one gun crime, with bullets from the same “Eley” batch, it would not look good for the incriminating blood to be found in one silencer, whilst other incriminating evidence, was found in another, so someone had the not so bright idea, to merge both of these identical looking silencers, together, as the same one...

But this is where they have now come unstuck, since it has now been possible to reconstruct, when these different identical looking silencers were in police possession, and under their control, and more importantly when these different silencers were submitted to the lab` to be examined, etc...

Now that this major deception has been uncovered, no more time should be unnecessarily wasted, Bambers convictions should be quashed immediately, and all those who are involved in this silencer/blood/paint conspiracy, need to be rounded up, and made to face the music, let's give them all a fair crack of the whip and a fair trial, sentence them first to 26 years imprisonment, and let them have as many appeals as they want, just withhold all the evidence that was not used to convict them, under pii...
« Last Edit: December 01, 2011, 12:10:PM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #1465 on: December 01, 2011, 12:03:PM »
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1466 on: December 01, 2011, 01:32:PM »
Someone has informed me that Z is a real person, or person(s). And was in the original raid team. I can't tell you more than that because my informant wants to remain anonymous. Sorry about that. It seems that I will become the nut case and deceiver now. ::)
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1467 on: December 01, 2011, 08:14:PM »
I have a meeting with 'Z' tomorrow, in Edinburgh - new information due to be exchanged, I may update using my Blackberry, during the course of the day, depending on what information I am given, or shown...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1468 on: December 01, 2011, 08:19:PM »
Onwards and upwards Mike.....
".....when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1469 on: December 01, 2011, 08:35:PM »
Onwards and upwards Mike.....

I have received some disturbing information from another source, to the effect that the body of Sheila was not cremated, when alleged?

I am hoping to speak to my informant tomorrow about this...
« Last Edit: December 01, 2011, 08:49:PM by mike tesko »
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