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Offline mike tesko

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1380 on: November 26, 2011, 07:15:PM »
Position of Ralph Bambers body, and view from the vantage point outside the kitchen window looking in direction of pantry door, behind which was seen the body of dead female...
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« Reply #1381 on: November 26, 2011, 07:36:PM »
You only have to see the angle (1,2 and 3,4) at which the four head shots were inflicted to realize that the corresponding bullet cases should not have ended up atop the kitchen  table, and that somebody stage managed the scene in the kitchen...
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« Reply #1382 on: November 27, 2011, 08:13:AM »
And considering Ralph only, there are 5 missing bullet cases and one missing bullet.

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« Reply #1383 on: November 27, 2011, 08:34:AM »
I think there is sufficient evidence available to give a very strong indication that Ralph Bamber did use the telephone hand set, which was photographed off its cradle in a position close to the tipped out ammunition on the worktop, and the bloodied fingermarks on the edge of worktop, along with the multiple spots of blood on the floor directly beneath. These bloodied fingermarks, and the blood on the floor beneath, could only have come from Ralph Bamber - which in my view places him in close proximity to the place where the telephone handset, ended up being photographed. What these features also indicate to me, is that Ralph was not shot at all until he was downstairs in the kitchen, and that this took place in the area of the kitchen where the telephone was situated. The multiple spots of blood on the kitchen floor (in that particular area) along with the bloodied fingermarks on the edge of the worktop, suggest in the strongest possible terms that Ralph was non fatally shot downstairs, and that this occurred after he was knocked, or fell to the floor, but from which he could possibly have been trying to get up to his feet? The blood on the floor and on the edge of the worktop in this area, confirm one thing which we would all do well to recognise, Ralph did not die instantaneously from being shot on this occasion, because he got upright afterwards, and his body did not end up on the kitchen floor in that part of the kitchen...

What this means...

is that somebody has tampered with the displacement of bullet cases supposedly found in the bedroom, because the prosecution alleged that four of the bullet cases found in the bedroom, originated or were associated with the four non fatal wounds, sustained by Ralph whilst he was upstairs, in the bedroom...

Not to be overlooked either...

is that although PC Bird photographed the position of all the recovered bullets cases at the scene, that these photographs were not relied upon, or made available to the court - there may have been good reason for this not being done, since such photographic material would almost inevitably have provided proof positive that police stage managed the scene...

Instead...

Court had to rely upon diagrams which were produced by PC Tingey to show the positions where bullet cases were supposedly recovered or found?



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« Reply #1384 on: November 27, 2011, 08:42:AM »
Why wasn't the bloodied fingermarks on the edge of the kitchen worktop, and the area of multiple spots of blood on that area of kitchen floor, shown to the court? Why wasn't any photograph showing these features part of the court album?

I think this did not happen because such evidence was capable of giving a clear indication that Ralph was non fatally shot downstairs in the kitchen, not upstairs in the bedroom...

There is no corresponding blood trail leading from upstairs to downstairs, which anyone could associate to the four non fatal wounds sustained by Ralph Bamber...

Ralph must have still been alive after he was sot in this area of the kitchen, because his body ended up in another part of the same kitchen, as shown by reference to this diagram...
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« Reply #1385 on: November 27, 2011, 09:00:AM »
Why wasn't the bloodied fingermarks on the edge of the kitchen worktop, and the area of multiple spots of blood on that area of kitchen floor, shown to the court? Why wasn't any photograph showing these features part of the court album?

I think this did not happen because such evidence was capable of giving a clear indication that Ralph was non fatally shot downstairs in the kitchen, not upstairs in the bedroom...

There is no corresponding blood trail leading from upstairs to downstairs, which anyone could associate to the four non fatal wounds sustained by Ralph Bamber...

Ralph must have still been alive after he was sot in this area of the kitchen, because his body ended up in another part of the same kitchen, as shown by reference to this diagram...

This helps to discredit that part of the prosecutions case, which alleged Ralph had been shot up to four times non fatally in the bed bedroom, therefore jury was deceived by the prosecutions case in this respect...
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« Reply #1386 on: November 27, 2011, 09:08:AM »
One of the four non fatal shots received upstairs in the bedroom, was the shot Ralph Bamber received "to his jaw", which the prosecution alleged would have prevented him from being able to speak on the telephone, if he made any call to Jeremy?

For example...

The bloodied fingerprints on the edge of the kitchen worktop, and the area of multiple spots of blood on the kitchen floor in the same general area beneath, could be blood from the injury of the jaw. Since, if shot in the jaw, Ralph could have put his hand to the injured area, and then placed his bloodied fingers on the edge of the worktop. If true, then of course, Ralph could have spoken to Jeremy on the telephone, and the absence of any blood on the handset of the telephone would be consistent with Ralph not having been shot at all, until after he made the call to Jeremy...

Consider the distances which the ballistic expert (Malcolm Fletcher) says all these shots were made from, in particular, the four fatal shots to the head, and the one to the jaw?

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« Reply #1387 on: November 27, 2011, 09:16:AM »
The police deception of claiming to have found 4 bullet cases in the bedroom when they did not was purely aimed at trying to support the notion that Ralph did not make the phone call to JB when they knew for a fact from BT records that Ralph did do this.
The police had one agenda and that was to prevent the truth of that incident not being discovered...ie that they were responsible for Sheila's death.
They screwed up the Sheila's committed suicide cover up so were forced to blame JB as priority one was to cover up and look after EP's own interests.

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« Reply #1388 on: November 27, 2011, 10:32:AM »
The police deception of claiming to have found 4 bullet cases in the bedroom when they did not was purely aimed at trying to support the notion that Ralph did not make the phone call to JB when they knew for a fact from BT records that Ralph did do this.
The police had one agenda and that was to prevent the truth of that incident not being discovered...ie that they were responsible for Sheila's death.
They screwed up the Sheila's committed suicide cover up so were forced to blame JB as priority one was to cover up and look after EP's own interests.

In a nutshell, this is precisely what they did...
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« Reply #1389 on: November 27, 2011, 11:30:AM »
Available police action reports exist between ref', 1 to 1635, which relate to an occasion after the nature of the investigation changed/altered, from SC/688/85 to SC/786/85, as per police action reports, numbered, 1 to 1635...
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« Reply #1390 on: November 27, 2011, 11:35:AM »
why is there no action reports between 7th August 1985, and 6th September 1985?
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« Reply #1391 on: November 27, 2011, 11:40:AM »
why is there no action reports between 7th August 1985, and 6th September 1985?

In the eyes of some, I may be a "scum bag criminal", but I know what is right, and what is wrong, and in this case (Bamber case), I know there are very serious discrepancies, which do not justify , him being convicted for these murders...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1392 on: November 27, 2011, 11:52:AM »
I spent over two years , or so, at HMP Full Sutton (maximum security prison), and in that period I had considerable time, to talk to many inmates about the crimes they were convicted of committing...

 "JB" was just one of the many inmates, I had an opportunity to speak to...

As far as I am concerned, Jeremy has always told the truth, he played no role in the deaths of any members of his family. I arrive at this conclusion after close study, and interaction on a "one to one basis", over a long period of time, between one alleged criminal, and another...


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« Reply #1393 on: November 27, 2011, 12:00:PM »
I have spoken to many convicted criminals, who pleaded, "Not Guilty", at their trials, but who admitted to me (privately), that they had in fact committed the offences, for which they had been convicted of...

In almost all of these cases, the inmates who had actually been responsible for committing the offences for which they stood convicted of, told me that police had fabricated the evidence, that was used during the trial, and relied upon, to secure the convictions...

"JB", was not "one of these convicted criminals"...
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« Reply #1394 on: November 27, 2011, 12:03:PM »
I have spoken to many convicted criminals, who pleaded, "Not Guilty", at their trials, but who admitted to me (privately), that they had in fact committed the offences, for which they had been convicted of...

In almost all of these cases, the inmates who had actually been responsible for committing the offences for which they stood convicted of, told me that police had fabricated the evidence, that was used during the trial, and relied upon, to secure the convictions...

"JB", was not "one of these convicted criminals"...

In all of these cases, "Noble cause, corruption", springs to mind, where police introduced falsified evidence, for the "sole purpose", of securing a conviction...
« Last Edit: November 27, 2011, 12:10:PM by mike tesko »
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