you should all know this?

[chochokeira]

'Z` has identified to me, true identity of gun which had red paint on it from aga in the kitchen,  on end of its barrel...

Well dont keep us in suspense...........!

Yeah, these suspenders hurt.

What are you like Grahame? 

Im guessing that the answer is going to be...........Pargeters rifle?

All too often Pargeter seems to be the missing link. Cliff recognised this, weeks ago.

Hence the nervous breakdown?

Cliff's...?

[shonapugs]

'Z` has identified to me, true identity of gun which had red paint on it from aga in the kitchen,  on end of its barrel...

Well dont keep us in suspense...........!

Yeah, these suspenders hurt.

What are you like Grahame? 

Im guessing that the answer is going to be...........Pargeters rifle?

All too often Pargeter seems to be the missing link. Cliff recognised this, weeks ago.

Hence the nervous breakdown?

Cliff's...?

As soon as I'd posted that, I realised what I'd said!! Sorry. Pargeter's breakdown. Cliff is as sane as me!! Ahem.

[tyler]

See,Im thinking that Pargater changed his story for the COLP intereview for a specific reason.By now stating that he had taken his rifle home prior to the murders,it can be assumed that he took his sound moderator along with it?Therefore giving the notion that there was only the one sound moderator at whf on that fateful night.The Bamber sound moderator.Since EP had already collected this as evidence on 8th August,how could the relatives have found a second sound moderator in the farmhouse(presumably Pargaters) at a later date,if Pargeter did indeed have it in his possesion at his home,as he claims?I believe that Jeremy's defence team should dig deeper with regards to Pargaters conflicting statements.I get the feeling that he holds the key to unravelling the silencer issue.

[chochokeira]

'Z` has identified to me, true identity of gun which had red paint on it from aga in the kitchen,  on end of its barrel...

Well dont keep us in suspense...........!

Yeah, these suspenders hurt.

What are you like Grahame? 

Im guessing that the answer is going to be...........Pargeters rifle?

All too often Pargeter seems to be the missing link. Cliff recognised this, weeks ago.

Hence the nervous breakdown?

Cliff's...?

As soon as I'd posted that, I realised what I'd said!! Sorry. Pargeter's breakdown. Cliff is as sane as me!! Ahem.

I know, I was joking but forgot to add a smiley 

[tyler]

Sorry,missed all your posts by taking too long to write mine 

[mertol22]

This is one of the problems i have why the kitchen this silencer  was found , why not in a secure place out of sight, were the silencers always kept there.

[chochokeira]

See,Im thinking that Pargater changed his story for the COLP intereview for a specific reason.By now stating that he had taken his rifle home prior to the murders,it can be assumed that he took his sound moderator along with it?Therefore giving the notion that there was only the one sound moderator at whf on that fateful night.The Bamber sound moderator.Since EP had already collected this as evidence on 8th August,how could the relatives have found a second sound moderator in the farmhouse(presumably Pargaters) at a later date,if Pargeter did indeed have it in his possesion at his home,as he claims?I believe that Jeremy's defence team should dig deeper with regards to Pargaters conflicting statements.I get the feeling that he holds the key to unravelling the silencer issue.

Good points, Tyler, +1 for this when I can applaud you again.

[shonapugs]

Sorry,missed all your posts by taking too long to write mine 

Could it be possible that there was only one silencer, but with at least 2 different reports? One for blood, one for paint? And that is how it was recorded?

[tyler]

Sorry,missed all your posts by taking too long to write mine 

Could it be possible that there was only one silencer, but with at least 2 different reports? One for blood, one for paint? And that is how it was recorded?

I just dont know to be honest.It seems to appear that EP already had a silencer in their possesion,at the time the relatives found the second one.And as Mike has stated before,one had more baffle plates than the other?

[shonapugs]

Sorry,missed all your posts by taking too long to write mine 

Could it be possible that there was only one silencer, but with at least 2 different reports? One for blood, one for paint? And that is how it was recorded?

I just dont know to be honest.It seems to appear that EP already had a silencer in their possesion,at the time the relatives found the second one.And as Mike has stated before,one had more baffle plates than the other?

That's not how I've understood it, Tyler. I'm not sure how EP could have a silencer before the one in the cupboard was found. But when it WAS found, it seemed to be treated as a paperweight, for a while. What a monumental cock-up.

[mertol22]

Sorry,missed all your posts by taking too long to write mine 

Could it be possible that there was only one silencer, but with at least 2 different reports? One for blood, one for paint? And that is how it was recorded?

I just dont know to be honest.It seems to appear that EP already had a silencer in their possesion,at the time the relatives found the second one.And as Mike has stated before,one had more baffle plates than the other?

That's not how I've understood it, Tyler. I'm not sure how EP could have a silencer before the one in the cupboard was found. But when it WAS found, it seemed to be treated as a paperweight, for a while. What a monumental cock-up.

A cock -up Shona , one of many not wearing gloves on a crimescene, i ask you really !

[vidvic]

I found it interesting today that Mike posted that he feels the first shot to Sheila was with a silencer fitted. If his air rifle theory were to crumble then surely he is saying that even the first shot was not by Sheila herself?

[tyler]

Sorry,but I personally cannot buy the air rifle theory.

[shonapugs]

Sorry,missed all your posts by taking too long to write mine 

Could it be possible that there was only one silencer, but with at least 2 different reports? One for blood, one for paint? And that is how it was recorded?

I just dont know to be honest.It seems to appear that EP already had a silencer in their possesion,at the time the relatives found the second one.And as Mike has stated before,one had more baffle plates than the other?

That's not how I've understood it, Tyler. I'm not sure how EP could have a silencer before the one in the cupboard was found. But when it WAS found, it seemed to be treated as a paperweight, for a while. What a monumental cock-up.

A cock -up Shona , one of many not wearing gloves on a crimescene, i ask you really !

I know. Hugely clumsy policing. And I honestly think that's the reason we'll never truly know. There is every chance that JB will get out, if Simon McKay is as shit-hot as he's supposed to be. There will be some dodgy technicality. And he'll use it. Why else would a high-profile lawyer jump on at this stage?

[vidvic]

'Z` exists, and is a source of much insight into the anomalies and contradictions in this case...

Remember...

That ballistic expert Fletcher said he could not say whether or not any of the 25 bullets had been fired through a silencer, yet there is what appears to be a mark made by the silencer, around the lower non fatal entry wound, whist at the same time, there is a marked absence of the same, around the upper entry wound beneath the chin...

Silencer appears to have been used at time first shot was fired, yet absent when second shot was fired...

If none of the 25 bullets had been fired through the silencer, it paves the way for an air rifle to have fired at least one of the original bullets,,.

His post from today........