you should all know this?

[Roch]

I understand from another source that the CCRC obtained a copy of the video footage from the scene, but that Jeremy was not allowed to see or to view it - it is still not yet known who took the video footage at the scene, but one thing is for sure and that is that those in authority do not want the likes of Jeremy or other members of the pubic to see its contents...

The jury were not even aware that such video footage was taken, by whom, or when?...

CCRC must have one of the most negative reputations of any official body.  Quite frankly if what you say is true, then that is absolutely disgraceful.

I have it on good authority that CCRC have a copy of the video footage taken at the scene, and that Jeremy was not, is not allowed to view or to see it...

The release of the original footage should have formed part of the Freedom Fortnight campaign or the campaign to release the negatives.  I truly hope that Bamber destroys the CCRC (by fully exposing it). Everything about the way this case is being processed looks to me as a brazened attempt to stall for as long as is possible.  To stave off the assaults designed to expose the truth, until the very last man.  It's sickening.  I do understand that a lot of documentation is coming to light now.  But they are still impeding other stuff from coming to light.  Therefore there is not full disclosure.

[clifford]

Make the comparison, between bullet/pellet PV/20 and the images contained in the Xray, and make up your own mind:-

That picture does in fact look like a flattened air rifle bullet? The distinctive nurled top looks rather like a pellet?

TBH I think it is more likely to be  a .22 bullet than a pellet.
I think the marks you are refering to Grahame is rifling. It seems too big to be a pellet.The colour also suggests this is a ,22, unless of course it is blood. I still think it strange that this bullet has fragmented.
The bullet recovered from Ralph's arm had only flattened.

[mike tesko]

I would also like to add that when I saw the photograph of Sheila on the bed when she had two wounds on her neck/throat, that there was no blood running from the corners of her mouth, and no horizontal type blood stains on her neck, or any blood running back into the socket of her left eye - these features became them, at the time police moved her body, from the bed, to the floor...

[grahameb]

Make the comparison, between bullet/pellet PV/20 and the images contained in the Xray, and make up your own mind:-

That picture does in fact look like a flattened air rifle bullet? The distinctive nurled top looks rather like a pellet?

TBH I think it is more likely to be  a .22 bullet than a pellet.
I think the marks you are refering to Grahame is rifling. It seems too big to be a pellet.The colour also suggests this is a ,22, unless of course it is blood. I still think it strange that this bullet has fragmented.
The bullet recovered from Ralph's arm had only flattened.

Yes in the picture of the .22 rifle bullet it does have similar marks on it.

[mike tesko]

Make the comparison, between bullet/pellet PV/20 and the images contained in the Xray, and make up your own mind:-

That picture does in fact look like a flattened air rifle bullet? The distinctive nurled top looks rather like a pellet?

TBH I think it is more likely to be  a .22 bullet than a pellet.
I think the marks you are refering to Grahame is rifling. It seems too big to be a pellet.The colour also suggests this is a ,22, unless of course it is blood. I still think it strange that this bullet has fragmented.
The bullet recovered from Ralph's arm had only flattened.

Yes in the picture of the .22 rifle bullet it does have similar marks on it.

Are the marks visible in the photograph, at the top end of the round, or the bottom?

[mike tesko]

I don't buy the argument that this is definitely a .22 Eley bullet, because the marks which are claimed to be rifling marks are at the wrong end of the round (PV/20) - I am no expert, but if this is a bullet why has it flattened at the wrong end of the round, or to put it another way, why is the round (PV/20) flattened at its base, and not at its point...

Similar marks can be found at the base of a .22 pellet...

[ngb1066]

Andrea

I just want to make it very clear that Jeremy knows everything that goes on from this every single day he has his 'spies' everywhere

Most of what Ngb posted Jeremy had told me in a letter but I hadn't got permission

I don't know about this z person because I wasn't there and quite clearly there has been so much cloak and dagger stuff in this case nothing surprises me

If this z person is genuine I hope has come forward because he knows the games is well and truly up

I think it would be perfectly acceptable for a number of police officers to get complete immunity from any prosecution as long as the ringleaders are charged and the relatives are charged.

I could believe Mike being followed because a close friend of Jeremys strongly believes her phone is tapped

I know what Jackie means in referring to Jeremy's "spies" although I would not have used that description myself. Jeremy's admin team look at the forum and he speaks to them every day.  If there is anything here which causes them concern or which they believe would be of interest to Jeremy they tell him.  It must be remembered however that their key focus is the work in preparing the response to the CCRC and the time available to Jeremy to make phone calls is limited.  I doubt therefore if much time is taken up with discussing forum posts.
 
When I spoke to Jeremy yesterday I did not mention "Z" as I decided to wait for further information to be posted by Mike.  Jeremy did not raise "Z" with me, so I do not believe that he knows about it yet.  Jeremy knows of my role of one of the Global Moderators on this site, and he understands that in fulfilling that role I am answerable to Mike Tesko who owns the forum and appointed me.  I therefore do not see it as part of my function to give reports on the forum to Jeremy.  I have from time to time discussed matters which have been raised on the forum (I think this is one of the main benefits of the forum) and asked his opinion.  One example of this was the Horsey Dave saga, which is probably the only thing on which Jeremy, Hartley and Vidvic are in agreement!

Jeremy has let me know when he has concerns about things which have been reported to him about the forum.  It is no secret that he is unhappy about pictures of the bodies of his family being posted.  I have explained that the ones which appear here have now been in the public domain for some time and that no additional photographs of this nature have been posted.  I have also explained my view that although the photographs are distressing and I understand his feelings, debate about the issues in the case has been assisted by being able to see the photographs.  Although Jeremy does not agree with my position on this, he understands it and I believe respects it.
     

[clifford]

I don't buy the argument that this is definitely a .22 Eley bullet, because the marks which are claimed to be rifling marks are at the wrong end of the round (PV/20) - I am no expert, but if this is a bullet why has it flattened at the wrong end of the round, or to put it another way, why is the round (PV/20) flattened at its base, and not at its point...

Similar marks can be found at the base of a .22 pellet...

Mike the rifling marks I am refering to  are on the base which is hidden beneath the  casing. The bullet you are illustating is one of many types made ie, some are smooth.

[clifford]

If she was aware of a proposal to remove the children I would expect a very negative reaction. She would resist it IN ANY WAY she knew, It would threaten whatever precarious balance she had.
Her reaction would be difficult to predict. She could have withdrawn into depression, and became angry, and vitriolic..... Dr H C Ferguson.

[jackiepreece]

I probably did use the wrong word spies about Jeremy finding out everything that goes on from the forum but it was in response to Andrea keep asking if Jeremy knew about Z

I personally do not go running off and tell Jeremy what goes on at the forum

There was a time some months ago when I think Taff Jones police notebook supposedly turned up

The finding sounded very suspicious and I personally did not believe it so didn't make too much comment

Sometimes I just wait and see how things pan out

Things have changed a lot lately and things do seem to be going Jeremys way so I haven't ruled out z being genuine yet

I have no doubt if there's been a massive cock up by police and the game is up an ex policeman could take measures to cover his back or make money out of this

Time will tell

[bob]

As I understand it Mike/Smiffy, this is what you now want us to believe...

The police made a massive balls-up, not realising Sheila was still alive, let her run upstairs and shoot herself, then the doctor ballsed up by certifying her dead when she wasn't, then the police ballsed up again trying to stage her suicide (which is odd in itself - why stage the suicide of someone you found to have committed suicide?) and shot her again themselves, killing her.

At this stage they shat themselves royally, so set about the cover-up.

Miraculously, it worked and the murder-suicide theory was accepted by those that mattered (after all it was a murder-suicide almost).

The police breath a masive sign of relief, realising they've got away with the monumental cock-ups, but technically no real harm has been done, the murderess did shoot herself once, so they can all get on with their lives and mostly sleep ok at night.

Then the relatives come along and say "can you help us pin it on Jemery so we can have his cash?", and rather than think to themselves "you're having laugh, we've only just managed to get away with killing her ourselves", they get back into a huddle and agree to risk the careers and liberties they've just saved by the skin of their teeth to help frame a man for the benefit of people that most of them don't even know. And all this depsite one of their number saying he wouldn't play ball so maybe they had to knock him off too?

Quite frankly it beggars belief that anybody even considers any of this a remote possibility.
Do any of you really believe this could happen in the real world?

[andrea]

I agree, its getting beyond ridiculous now.

[ngb1066]

Quote from Bob: As I understand it Mike/Smiffy, this is what you now want us to believe...

It is about time that this suggestion that Mike Tesko and Smiffy are the same person is laid to rest.  They are not the same person, and I am not saying that simply because they use a different IP address and are sometimes online at the same time.  This suggestion originates with John Lamberton and it has been repeated so many times elswhere and recently here that some people are starting to believe it.  Do not believe it, because it is nonsense designed to taunt forum members.  I am addressing this to those who are pro Bamber as much as to those who are against or are undecided.

[grahameb]

As I understand it Mike/Smiffy, this is what you now want us to believe...

The police made a massive balls-up, not realising Sheila was still alive, let her run upstairs and shoot herself, then the doctor ballsed up by certifying her dead when she wasn't, then the police ballsed up again trying to stage her suicide (which is odd in itself - why stage the suicide of someone you found to have committed suicide?) and shot her again themselves, killing her.

At this stage they shat themselves royally, so set about the cover-up.

Miraculously, it worked and the murder-suicide theory was accepted by those that mattered (after all it was a murder-suicide almost).

The police breath a masive sign of relief, realising they've got away with the monumental cock-ups, but technically no real harm has been done, the murderess did shoot herself once, so they can all get on with their lives and mostly sleep ok at night.

Then the relatives come along and say "can you help us pin it on Jemery so we can have his cash?", and rather than think to themselves "you're having laugh, we've only just managed to get away with killing her ourselves", they get back into a huddle and agree to risk the careers and liberties they've just saved by the skin of their teeth to help frame a man for the benefit of people that most of them don't even know. And all this depsite one of their number saying he wouldn't play ball so maybe they had to knock him off too?

Quite frankly it beggars belief that anybody even considers any of this a remote possibility.
Do any of you really believe this could happen in the real world?

Unfortunately it does happen in the real world and there are miscarriages of justice to prove it. What you haven't considered of course in Mike's claim to have met with a character called "Z" is that he was right about the two silencers. For this is one of the considerations of Jeremy's legal team. It is generally believed that there were two silencers. So Mikes explanation of this is a distinct possibility.

[bob]

As I understand it Mike/Smiffy, this is what you now want us to believe...

The police made a massive balls-up, not realising Sheila was still alive, let her run upstairs and shoot herself, then the doctor ballsed up by certifying her dead when she wasn't, then the police ballsed up again trying to stage her suicide (which is odd in itself - why stage the suicide of someone you found to have committed suicide?) and shot her again themselves, killing her.

At this stage they shat themselves royally, so set about the cover-up.

Miraculously, it worked and the murder-suicide theory was accepted by those that mattered (after all it was a murder-suicide almost).

The police breath a masive sign of relief, realising they've got away with the monumental cock-ups, but technically no real harm has been done, the murderess did shoot herself once, so they can all get on with their lives and mostly sleep ok at night.

Then the relatives come along and say "can you help us pin it on Jemery so we can have his cash?", and rather than think to themselves "you're having laugh, we've only just managed to get away with killing her ourselves", they get back into a huddle and agree to risk the careers and liberties they've just saved by the skin of their teeth to help frame a man for the benefit of people that most of them don't even know. And all this depsite one of their number saying he wouldn't play ball so maybe they had to knock him off too?

Quite frankly it beggars belief that anybody even considers any of this a remote possibility.
Do any of you really believe this could happen in the real world?

Unfortunately it does happen in the real world and there are miscarriages of justice to prove it. What you haven't considered of course in Mike's claim to have met with a character called "Z" is that he was right about the two silencers. For this is one of the considerations of Jeremy's legal team. It is generally believed that there were two silencers. So Mikes explanation of this is a distinct possibility.

So what was the motivation for all those involved (and we must be talking about maybe 20 people?) to risk their careers & pensions, and risk going to jail, to enter into such a conspiracy, when they have only just gotten away with such a massive cock-up?

It didn't happen Grahame.