Author Topic: The handwritten notes of Miss Marples (Ann Eaton) - read them here for yourself  (Read 32525 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
How strange, that Pargeter should tell COLp in 1991, that on the night of the shootings his rifle, magazines ans silencer were in his gun cupboard at his home, since this contradicts what he told Essex police at the time of the original investigation, for example, these were kept at whf, and he always removed the bolt from his rifle and took that home with him to Bourne end, so that no-one else could fire the weapon in his absence?

Now...

Either he took it home as he suggested to COLP in 1991, or he only took the bolt home, and left everything else back at whf in the downstairs toilet, but he could not have taken it all home, and left it at whf minus its bolt both at the same time, so Pargeter either lied to Essex police or he is lying to COLP?
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline ngb1066

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6671
How strange, that Pargeter should tell COLp in 1991, that on the night of the shootings his rifle, magazines ans silencer were in his gun cupboard at his home, since this contradicts what he told Essex police at the time of the original investigation, for example, these were kept at whf, and he always removed the bolt from his rifle and took that home with him to Bourne end, so that no-one else could fire the weapon in his absence?

Now...

Either he took it home as he suggested to COLP in 1991, or he only took the bolt home, and left everything else back at whf in the downstairs toilet, but he could not have taken it all home, and left it at whf minus its bolt both at the same time, so Pargeter either lied to Essex police or he is lying to COLP?

This is a very important point Mike.  Why Pargetter changed his account about this is a mystery, but he was very keen to make COLP believe that his Brno rifle and sound moderator were not at WHF at the time of the murders.  This conflicts with his account to Essex Police and his evidence at trial.  Jeremy believes that Pargetter's original account and his evidence at trial on this point is correct and that what he said to COLP was false.


Offline smiffy

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2000
This note contains an important line in regards to the silencer finding "lies" of the 10th august.
Ann notes about the 12th of august.

"I have had all the family in the house now."

obviously someone was missing and this person was not JB.
the person who had not been in the house was Robert.

On the saturday and sunday various others had gone to whf..and in her COLP interview Ann gave the list of who had been in, up to and including sunday and missing from it was her dad (Robert). This slip up is noticed and carries through in her notes as well on fine checking.
Ann tries to correct in her COLP by referring to Robert doing something on the saturday etc at whf but these are lies.

Ann's cocky claim...as often with cocky people ...will be her undoing.

Offline smiffy

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2000
In Robert Boutflour's rambling dodgy diary entries he appears to make an error in that he has Ann remembering about seeing watery bloodstaining on the kitchen window sill and other marks on the windows. He claims to still see marks etc when along with Ann and some police inspect the windows.
However if he really went to whf on the 10th and as Ann does not claim to have cleaned the windowsill or windows..(hence some marks still present 2 weeks later) then surely Robert and others would also have seen the said watery bloodstains and not need to rely on Ann for this info. Again this suggests he has slipped up in his  being at whf on the 10th august.

Statement analysis on Robert Boutflours notes about the alleged find of the silencer and him being present show with no doubt whatsoever that he was lying on this issue. It could not be any stronger or clearer.

Offline smiffy

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2000
The day of the 12th august is very interesting.
Robert Bouflour to the COLP describes going to see DS Stan Jones on the morning of the 12th august and says what was talked about...
see relevant bits of that statement.
However Ann Eatons notes of the 12th clearly have Robert Boutflour(dad) at whf while JB and Julie are given a tour that morning. So how can Robert be in 2 places at once.

Offline smiffy

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2000
Robert claims he wanted to visit WHF on the 10th to see the tampax container and a shotgun left lying against the wall...in his interview with the COLP.
Well Ann had only been in whf on the evening of the 9th of august with the police after being given the keys....so would this be when she spots the tampax container which attracts attention?

Oh what was that Robert...you remember Basil Cock moaning about the finger print dust that day...
well, afraid not you lying bast*** as no one had fingerprinted until September.

The truth is Robert did not go to whf on the 10th of august and those that say he did are liars too.

Offline smiffy

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2000
Remember what was mentioned earlier about the 12th of august and clearly Robert according to Ann's notes and others evidence was at whf that morning ...Robert goes onto give more info on what he claims to have done on the morning of the 12th in his COLP interview.

Considering Robert claims to have been with Ann and David on the 10th he knew nothing of their trip to the police with Pargetter on the 9th......however if Robert had not been to whf on the 10th it explains why he had not conversed with Ann and David.

Remember ...earlier on Robert told us he spoke to DS Stan Jones on the morning of the 12th...well it changes.....

Pamela Boutflours statement of the 12th indicates the statement was concluded at  3.40pm which ties in with an appointment and start time to make the statement of 2.00pm.

Robert though in this second part makes no mention of going to whf which it seems is what he really did...he also fails to show how he went to see  DS Jones that morning and arrange for a silencer to be collected from the family....so which was it...
It seems therefore that the claimed  meeting and conversation with DS Jones that morning cannot have happened as Robert could not have been in 2 places at once.

Offline smiffy

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2000
According to Robert's COLP interview....
DS Jones was suprised by Robert speaking of the finding the silencer and it was the first time he had heard of this (this seems to be lies and part of the fabrication).
Well as Pamela's  statement concluded at 3.40pm then anything said to Jones would be after this time.
it does not leave long for Jones to phone Cook about a "silencer" as per Cooks false claim. It also brings into doubt any claims of pre arranged collection of a silencer or any info of a silencer being found being passed onto Jones by anybody else.

Offline smiffy

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2000
Oddly Robert in his COLP then goes on to describe the morning of what really happened at whf on the 12th of august as happening on the 13th of august...oh dear Robert...
caught out lying and tripping up lying accomplices along the way....DS Stan Jones...beware !




Offline smiffy

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2000
Also in regards the 12th august we have this note from Ann Eaton...
this one in my view is almost certainly one of the fabricated ones made at a later date.
Of note is Nevill's wallet being emptied of cash and credit cards.
In response in both the COLP interview and her notes are the exact words...

Dad and I almost felt guilty.

obviously she went prepared for this at the colp to get it word for word....but how can one know how someone else feels....

almost felt guilty....really ....thats not possible....one does feel guilty or one does not....yet another sign of deception.

the story goes that Robert (dad) checked Nevill's wallet and trouser pockets...at the request of Basil Cock.
Problem is (apart from Robert not being there)...is such an act was carried out then no-one would have a problem explaining as such to JB where the money and credit cards were and why.....so no reason to keep quiet and no reason at all to feel guilty if that was the truth.
It seems that was not the truth at all...

In all this of course ...Robert is at whf on the morning of the 12 th of august and not as he claims at Maldon police station speaking to a police officer he could not name etc etc or meeting DS Stan Jones.

Offline smiffy

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2000
in one part oh his COLP interview Robert says he had to wait a long time...due to it being a weekend...before speaking to a uniformed officer at Maldon about the silencer.
2 points.....
1./ if he really knew it was a long time to wait he would not have fluffed his diary entries in which he records the silencer as found on the 11th august.
2./ later in the COLP interview he goes on to say he did not speak of the silencer to the officer at Maldon but spoke of something else to do with the case.

Clearly Robert Boutflour was thoroughly dishonest and it is no suprise that his offspring turned out to be equally dishonest with him as a poor role model father.

His diary entries are rubbish, his evidence is rubbish.

in the extract attached Robert claims Ann had edited his diary entries....her handwriting...clearly colluding and working together in trying to knock up this fabrication of lies.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2011, 04:53:PM by smiffy »

Offline smiffy

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2000
Mike makes mention that JB sought to recover the .22 air rifle and a 12 bore shotgun back from the Eatons one evening that was either the 12th or 13th of august. If this can be established then it could throw some of the silencer collecting claims by DS Jones down the toilet.

Going by Ann's notes and account it was on monday...that DS  Jones supposedly called to get the silencer(though the wise know he did not) and that DS Jones stayed for a while drinking whisky with Peter...Ann in her COLP saying she went to bed it seems before Jones left the Eaton home.

Offline campion

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1967
MIKE          and SMIFFY,   Iam G..SMACKED by your investigative capacities!   'vous ete veritable magnifique criminologistes par excellence.Is to be noted that GLORIOUS 12th of AUGUSTis the start of thee shooting shooting seaon- busy time for partakers. In the notes by Taff's protogee of Agatha Christie, it is to be observed that she had a visit from John WILKIN, in whoe preserve is the Lordship of the Manor of TollesHUNT D'ARCY,accompanied by John SEABROOK, whose fruitree fore fathers resurrected the D'ARCY apple variety!!!    As Mr KIPLING would say using his MINCEPIES, made by CAE Essex's version of delectable  DELIA -  We Make Exceedingly Fine Jams'  HARTLEYif indeed you are the J.R.may I say how INTRIGUED I was with your tome on FLYFISHING!!!          TTFN       PS   CIVITATIS BONUS ET CONSCIENTIA RECTA  i.e. One Rests one's Case - making sure the Cuckoo doesn't Crumble.  Sorry - bit of a balls up -like the Funeral arrangemehts. BTW have you seen this week's CONTY STANDARD ?                                             

Offline campion

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1967
Veni VIDi VICumm...   Tho' complex to me, mike's FORUM will be the only means to OVERCOME any EADY edict !!!

Offline smiffy

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2000
The note shown in this post is a later constructed item with deception in mind...though it reports some true details.
The prime  element of the note's purpose is right near the start of it...
we are talking the night of the 9th of august.
When making notes etc we normally write what did happen...not what did not happen.
Ann starts the note with something that did not happen...

Stan Jones was not in the house.

what prompted that to be written..it is clearly something that arose that has become important in some way.
that she says "the house" tells us that house is important to the issue.
being handed the keys ...tells us basically that the house is whf.

In my view the deception and reason to write the note is that Stan Jones did go in the house that evening and his role was important...most likely to do with the sugar or actions or things he said. It seems Stan does not want this known and Ann also does not want this known.
With Taff Jones later killed ...he cant speak...

sinister isnt it.
The 9th of august becomes increasingly important.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2011, 04:56:PM by smiffy »