Julie Mugford Witness Statement Dated 08/09/1985

[Hartley]

I don't understand is it  JM statements or not and Hartley don't call me dear I don't like it because I use that as a term of affection when I write someone a letter.

Whoever  the person is has a very good imagination

Sorry dear err Jackie, yes it's JM's statement. It's simply that it iwas written down by the interviewing police officer and then signed by Julie.

[clifford]

I am trying to get my head round Whiddons statement. It seems that a lot of people had some sort of input. This was the first time that he was an exhibits officer, and was learning on the hoof.[so to speak]
IMO he was in the dark on a number of things, with items being changed without his knowlege, so followed the official line.
DS Jones comes to the fore in a lot of this, and I think he was totally corrupt.
I think he was a snot gobbling git who was way above his station, but licked the arse of  Ainsly.
The amount of interviews he had with ugly guts suggest that he had a one tracked mind, and was determined to get Jeremy.
Wonder what the wanker does now? Probably NCP car park, as long as he has a limp.
Even the lady who examined the silencers was not happy, because numbers had been changed without her knowlege.
Things will soon come crashing down around their lugholes, and they will all plead ignorance.
They all had their chance to come clean, but decided to carry on with the lie.
Judgement day is nigh, and some smelly knickers are in the offing. [not bloodstained knickers].
Where will Miss Marples go then.
I reckon she will find another silencer, or maybe a telescopic sight.
I understand the food in Holloway is quite palatable, but the Christmas decorations are naff. Still it will only be for twenty years. Happy days.

[S.Grant]

Cliff, I've seldom commented on this forum and have never applauded or smited (can you say smite in the past tense?  Maybe it should be smote?) .. anyway a +1 for your last comment.

[jackiepreece]

Cliff I didn't think it was possible to love you anymore than I do already.

Jeremy got convicted on the word of muggy and the silencer evidence

What a sad example of Britsh Justice round them all up and have them all squeezed together in the dock including Muggy

What a good day for British Justice and poor Sheila maybe we have learnt something about how tortured she was and there was nobody to understand what she was going through

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Have any of you ever given a statement to the police? Well unfortunately I had to and I can tell you that even today, never mind it 1985, my initial statement was hand written by a police officer and all I was required to do was sign and date at the end.

[shonapugs]

Have any of you ever given a statement to the police? Well unfortunately I had to and I can tell you that even today, never mind it 1985, my initial statement was hand written by a police officer and all I was required to do was sign and date at the end.

Me too. I dictated it, checked it through at the end, then signed it. It took ages.

[jackiepreece]

i bet it didnt take 30 coaching sessions and was all hearsay that sent your ex boyfriend who had dumped you with the outcome of him spending a lifetime in prison


In all her statements not one single piece of evidence, nothing to say he had one single scratch on him from Ralph

You cant have it both ways

Jeremy and sheila didnt have a scratch on them

[boheme]

Why do people not believe her statement - it fits the facts and if Mcdonald was the killer it implies there would be no scratches on JB or Sheila.....

[grahameb]

Why do people not believe her statement - it fits the facts and if Mcdonald was the killer it implies there would be no scratches on JB or Sheila.....

The only problem being that Macdonald was not the killer. Or he'd be banged up with Jeremy.

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Why do people not believe her statement - it fits the facts and if Mcdonald was the killer it implies there would be no scratches on JB or Sheila.....

Which statement are you refering to, she made so many!

[jackiepreece]

boheme most normal people wouldnt continue going out with someone if they kept saying they hated their parents and was going to get rid of them not once more than once.
most normal girls wouldnt go on holiday once they knew their boyfriend was responsible for the death of two little boys and three adults.

when did she know it wasnt a hoax or a joke when she shook them in the mortuary and they didnt wake up

normal girls dont try to smother their boyfriend just because they are not in love with them and just to top it off although she didnt really need anything she went up and down oxford street with a stolen cheque book

i wonder why i dont believe her?

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

That is what I was trying to say. How many ways can you tell the truth/lies?

[ngb1066]

Why do people not believe her statement - it fits the facts and if Mcdonald was the killer it implies there would be no scratches on JB or Sheila.....

McDonald was not the killer.  Stan Jones was initially convinced that he was the killer because of what Julie Mugford had told him.  He wanted McDonald to be the killer as that provided a neat solution to the problems presented by the evidence in the case.  However, McDonald provided a cast iron alibi and there was not a shred of evidence connecting him to the murders.  McDonald had nothing in his background to suggest that he was someone who could have been hired to murder a family of five including two women and two young children. 

[grahameb]

Why do people not believe her statement - it fits the facts and if Mcdonald was the killer it implies there would be no scratches on JB or Sheila.....

McDonald was not the killer.  Stan Jones was initially convinced that he was the killer because of what Julie Mugford had told him.  He wanted McDonald to be the killer as that provided a neat solution to the problems presented by the evidence in the case.  However, McDonald provided a cast iron alibi and there was not a shred of evidence connecting him to the murders.  McDonald had nothing in his background to suggest that he was someone who could have been hired to murder a family of five including two women and two young children.

The question should rather be why do people believe her statement. For she said that Macdonald was the killer. If that was a lie then we must assume that the rest of her statement was a lie.

[Hartley]

I suppose that people who believe her statement do not think it's a lie, they think she is being truthful when reciting what Jeremy told her and that it was Jeremy who was telling her lies about McDonald.